CRF vs Push Feed

I own both push feed and controlled round feed rifles, and I like them both for what they are. My preference is the CRF, that said the custom rifle I have in the works right now is a push feed, and one of its roles will be that of a protection rifle. Both action styles have one thing in common. If a CRF rifle doesn't cycle reliably, its broken, and requires attention before it should be carried in the field. If a push feed rifle fails to cycle reliably, its broken, and requires attention before it should carried in the field.
 
I have a few of both and it pizzes me awff when I have to think about loading
the dang kullpritt in me arms.
Loading the c/f wrong wunce is a good way to start awff bad.
Frukc, I still remember that day.
 
Bartledan said:
If both are "adequate" as in they both work, how would you know which is better? They both work. Did one go bang louder or something? Does CRF kill deader? If they both work, how do you know which is better?

You wouldn't know. But you'd still have an opinion, right? You'd still *think* you know.
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That is the whole thread is about, to debate which one of the two adequate actions is better. Your comment like this is laughable: "if they both work, how do you know which is better".
 
elker said:
That is the whole thread is about, to debate which one of the two adequate actions is better. Your comment like this is laughable: "if they both work, how do you know which is better".
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I thought those words were acceptably short and easy to understand. Apparently not. My fault. Was it the two syllable word at the end?
 
Cleftwynd said:
I was replying to the comments about benchrest actions. Which are a totally different animal than anything used in the field.
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Yes different animals, but no real difference when it comes to the push feed parameter.

So I fail to see your entire point.
 
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One scenario, you did not resize your brass and you reloaded the cartridge. This cartridge was used in another rifle of the same caliber. In the bush, a grizzly bear charged at you. You pushed the cartridge to the chamber to shoot. But the cartridge was a little too big for the chamber, and it stuck half way in.
Now, if your rifle is CRF, you could easily pull back the cartridge and push the next round in, and shoot to stop the bear.
However, if you were using a push feed, you would have a nice tomb after a nice funeral.
 
madashell said:
Yes different animals, but no real difference when it comes to the push feed parameter.

So I fail to see your entire point.
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Benchrest actions are typically single fed, basically for all intents and purposes single shot rifles. My point was using them as evidence for either push feed, or CRF being better than the other makes no sense. Might as well toss in Ruger #1's, and drillngs, as they are as similar to how a REPEATING rifle feeds and extracts rounds from the magazine and chamber as a benchrest action.

That was the only point I was trying to make. Please don't get upset, or mad as hell, lol, over the opinion of some unknown random person posting on the Internet, that's just silly.
 
Cleftwynd said:
Benchrest actions are typically single fed, basically for all intents and purposes single shot rifles. My point was using them as evidence for either push feed, or CRF being better than the other makes no sense. Might as well toss in Ruger #1's, and drillngs, as they are as similar to how a REPEATING rifle feeds and extracts rounds from the magazine and chamber as a benchrest action.

That was the only point I was trying to make. Please don't get upset, or mad as hell, lol, over the opinion of some unknown random person posting on the Internet, that's just silly.
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Put your purse away .... never said ANYTHING to indicate I was upset, or preferred one over the other, or I think one is better than the other.

As for your essentially single shot theory it goes right out the window when you look at the different types of PRS matches, not all are benchrest. Many are essentially field/sniper type matches and many of those rifles are custom built and are essentially the same as the bench guys.. I assure you they very much are feeding from mags with push feeds. Dirt, dust, mud and all.

For the record I like both types of feed/extraction systems and equally see the plusses/minuses to both.
 
elker said:
One scenario, you did not resize your brass and you reloaded the cartridge. This cartridge was used in another rifle of the same caliber. In the bush, a grizzly bear charged at you. You pushed the cartridge to the chamber to shoot. But the cartridge was a little too big for the chamber, and it stuck half way in.
Now, if your rifle is CRF, you could easily pull back the cartridge and push the next round in, and shoot to stop the bear.
However, if you were using a push feed, you would have a nice tomb after a nice funeral.
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Agreed, this is a plus for CRF.
 
elker said:
One scenario, you did not resize your brass and you reloaded the cartridge. This cartridge was used in another rifle of the same caliber. In the bush, a grizzly bear charged at you. You pushed the cartridge to the chamber to shoot. But the cartridge was a little too big for the chamber, and it stuck half way in.
Now, if your rifle is CRF, you could easily pull back the cartridge and push the next round in, and shoot to stop the bear.
However, if you were using a push feed, you would have a nice tomb after a nice funeral.
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There is no guarantee that the cartridge will not be jammed so tight in a panic situation that a crf action will not extract it.

Regardless, this is a self induced problem that you can only blame yourself for

Not sure who walks around in the bush where there is dangerous game without chambering a round before setting out?
 
elker said:
One scenario, you did not resize your brass and you reloaded the cartridge. This cartridge was used in another rifle of the same caliber. In the bush, a grizzly bear charged at you. You pushed the cartridge to the chamber to shoot. But the cartridge was a little too big for the chamber, and it stuck half way in.
Now, if your rifle is CRF, you could easily pull back the cartridge and push the next round in, and shoot to stop the bear.
However, if you were using a push feed, you would have a nice tomb after a nice funeral.
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If there is any resistance to the chambering of the case the extractor pops over and you are easily able to withdraw the offending round. The CRF has no advantage here either as you have stated, that just isn't correct, I have withdrawn many cartridges that failed to chamber for whatever reason. Also if you end up in the bush in grizzly country with a round that will not chamber, then you get what you deserve and Darwin's theory is working properly as it should..........
 
Wow, lots of insanity in this thread over something that isn't really that important. Both have pros, and both have cons, from manufacturing costs, to weight, to single feeding, to hanging upside down hunting maneating lions in freezing rain with poorly made handloads lol... Pick the one you shoot well with and works in the conditions you need it to work in.
 
Brian46 said:
There is no guarantee that the cartridge will not be jammed so tight in a panic situation that a crf action will not extract it.

Regardless, this is a self induced problem that you can only blame yourself for

Not sure who walks around in the bush where there is dangerous game without chambering a round before setting out?
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Was going to say something along these lines but seemed like the CRF crowd were getting defensive so gave them a nod.

I don't see too much advantage to either one in this situation.
 
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Fwiw, many of us tend to lean towards either Crf or push based on our favourite action and the feed system it uses..... I was a rem junkie and have had push feed rems that fed slick as snot.... To this day, nothing has matched the rem mountain rifle I owned for feed smoothness.....

I have since been swapping the rems out for rugers as I love the build and fit finish and form of their actions regardless of the fact that they are a bit heavier......

I was actually a ranger for a grand total of 9 months and was glad to see the new design is push feed.... One less moving part in extreme sub zero temps..... But I wager this could be a non issue if maintained properly...... And I am no true north expert by any means....

Dance with the girl you brought as they say....
 
Superbrad said:
Fwiw, many of us tend to lean towards either Crf or push based on our favourite action and the feed system it uses..... I was a rem junkie and have had push feed rems that fed slick as snot.... To this day, nothing has matched the rem mountain rifle I owned for feed smoothness.....

I have since been swapping the rems out for rugers as I love the build and fit finish and form of their actions regardless of the fact that they are a bit heavier......

I was actually a ranger for a grand total of 9 months and was glad to see the new design is push feed.... One less moving part in extreme sub zero temps..... But I wager this could be a non issue if maintained properly...... And I am no true north expert by any means....

Dance with the girl you brought as they say....
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I prefer a Mauser action in extreme cold as it is very easy to disassemble the bolt without tools, strip it of all lube and dirt and re-assemble it dry.
 
madashell said:
When all else fails in this debate ...

Ask yourself which one Mark Walberg would choose ?
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if you have been in the Army or any kind of forces you will know that you just do not choose your tools: they re given to you and you adapt ...



it was already like that in the 80s, no doubt it didnt change ....

i do not see any defensive other than gunnutz over here ...

so using the sniper weapon as a reference ... in that case i will choose the dragunov ... ever shoot one?
 
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