Sub sonic .223/.556

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Izzi115

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Does anyone know where to buy sub sonic ammo. My purpose for such a round is the crack of a .223/.556 in unbelievably painful without ear pro. I defiantly prefer when shooting 7.62 without, as the the noise is loud but less pitch (I think) and doesn't bother me at all.

Yes I know I should be wearing ear pro.

-Izzi
 
So rather than wear ear protection (which you should be, even with subsonics) you want to completely neuter a caliber? You might as well throw rocks at a target...

Don't be cheap. Get a good pair of electronic ear pros. I suggest MSA Sordin Supreme Pro-X's with the gel cups.
 
kthomas said:
So rather than wear ear protection (which you should be, even with subsonics) you want to completely neuter a caliber? You might as well throw rocks at a target...

Don't be cheap. Get a good pair of electronic ear pros. I suggest MSA Sordin Supreme Pro-X's with the gel cups.
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Agree with that, just get good quality ear protection
 
kthomas said:
So rather than wear ear protection (which you should be, even with subsonics) you want to completely neuter a caliber? You might as well throw rocks at a target...

Don't be cheap. Get a good pair of electronic ear pros. I suggest MSA Sordin Supreme Pro-X's with the gel cups.
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or Peltor 6S. love those things, work great next to a Coyote shooting it's 25 or you shooting your 22.
 
Izzi115 said:
Does anyone know where to buy sub sonic ammo. My purpose for such a round is the crack of a .223/.556 in unbelievably painful without ear pro. I defiantly prefer when shooting 7.62 without, as the the noise is loud but less pitch (I think) and doesn't bother me at all.

Yes I know I should be wearing ear pro.

-Izzi
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There is no such thing as subsonic 223.
 
Noise canceling ear pro is where it's at. Remember hearing damage is cumulative, and it never heals or repairs it's self.

I have a set of peltor tac 6's. They were cheap and work well.
 
a couple small pieces of crumpled up Kleenex. You should come out and listen to my .220 Swift and .30-378. Standard ear plugs from a safety supply shop should work fine. I am not a big headphone style hearing protection fan because they mess with my cheek weld (just like a ski-doo or quad helmut). But i bought some of those electric ones that let you hear others conversation but still block major decibels. when at the rifle range I was very impressed and they were not expensive. In typical big game hunting situations you want to hear a twig break 50 yards away, and that is one reason that I avoid muzzle breaks on my rifles (pardon, huh, what?). Muzzle breaks are great for sighting in scopes at the bench or practice shooting at the range but they can seriously damage your hearing. I said "THEY CAN SERIOUSLY DAMGE YOUR HEARING" and once it is gone you cannot get it back. There are no cures for that. I am a right handed shooter and with all right handed rifle shooters, it is the left ear that goes first, just ask my wife. "Yes dear, No I did hear you, Yeah I know, what did you say?". For myself, it is my high frequency (and I have been tested due to my employment conditions) Pardon, What. I have one of those cheapo high frequency alarms (you know beep beep beep beep). When I am sleeping on my right side at 5:00AM (every G-d D-M morning) she will give me a cross check and say "your alarm is going off". To all of you younger guys on this great website that have your whole life ahead of you (and can still keep your hearing) I just want you to understand the potential health hazards to using ANY muzzle brakes on your rifles without approved hearing protection. I have an aftermarket Gill Style Muzzle break on my 50 HS BMG from Alberta Tactical that is worth every penny when it comes to recoil reduction however this thing will blow your hat off lay the grass down and potentially Fu--K your ears up if you are not wearing proper hearing protection.
 
Again, I know about the damage to my ears. I'm a emergency medical responder, I'm well educated as to the impact. However it's also important to be able to fire a rifle without flinching in a pinch. So, I train with out ear pro when feasible.

I do appreciate those that answered the question though, I may just need to switch to a mini 30 for training purposes.

Thanks guys,
Bear
 
Izzi115 said:
Does anyone know where to buy sub sonic ammo. My purpose for such a round is the crack of a .223/.556 in unbelievably painful without ear pro. I defiantly prefer when shooting 7.62 without, as the the noise is loud but less pitch (I think) and doesn't bother me at all.

Yes I know I should be wearing ear pro.

-Izzi
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A few points:

1. The shooter is never directly exposed to the sonic crack. Sonic crack moves perpendicular to the travel of the bullet and starts a few feet in front of the muzzle. Thus this noise never reaches the shooter's ears.

2. Shooting any centerfire rifle caliber without ear protection is INCREDIBLY STUPID and you are irreversibly damaging your hearing with every shot. In a very short period of time your high end hearing will be completely shot and you are risking lifelong tinnitus, or a ringing in the ears, which has been known to drive people to suicide because it never goes away. Govern yourself accordingly.

3. Subsonic 223/556 is glorified 22 rimfire, with a couple of seriously bad side effects. It will not cycle a semi-auto and it runs a serious risk of getting a bullet stuck in the longer barrel of a bolt action. If, per chance, you don't notice the stuck bullet, the next one will potentially blow your barrel to bits.

4. Subsonic 223/556 is essentially a load it yourself item and is in no way worthwhile pursuing. If you want subsonic 22, buy a 22 rimfire. If guns are too noisy for you, wear hearing protection. Wear hearing protection anyway because not doing so permanently wrecks your hearing.




greentips said:
There is no such thing as subsonic 223.
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It may be tough to buy retail but it is certainly possible to load the stuff yourself. I have a box of the stuff in my ammo cabinet. Thus, clearly there is such a thing as subsonic 223.
 
Izzi115 said:
Again, I know about the damage to my ears. I'm a emergency medical responder, I'm well educated as to the impact. However it's also important to be able to fire a rifle without flinching in a pinch. So, I train with out ear pro when feasible.

I do appreciate those that answered the question though, I may just need to switch to a mini 30 for training purposes.
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If you were well educated on the subject you'd know that "in a pinch" you will experience auditory exclusion and not hear the shot at all. Thus training without hearing protection is FACKING STUPID!

An older friend of mine who hunted for decades without hearing protection had serious hearing loss as a result. It was shocking to realize just how damaged his hearing was. One day, driving in his vehicle, the squeeling from the totally shot brakes was piercingly loud enough to make me crawl out of my seat in physical pain. He could not hear it at all and was surprised when I explained to him just how loud it was.

As I mentioned above, tinnitus can drive people to suicide due to its unending torture to the bearer. The thing about tinnitus is that it doesn't slowly sneak up on you. You will suddenly get it and it will be too late to go back. Don't be stupid, wear hearing protection all the time when shooting.
 
Izzi115 said:
However it's also important to be able to fire a rifle without flinching in a pinch. So, I train with out ear pro when feasible.
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Why is this important? You are 100% guaranteed to suffer permanent irreversible hearing loss doing this while the likelihood of needing to fire your rifle at intruders (or aliens or robots or zombies...I don't know what you're expecting) is infinitesimally small.
 
Okay, first off, don't bother with a cold loaded 5.56/.223 round. In the weights you're talking about you're going to see more damage done by .22lr, I'll bet. If you're keen on an AR that's going to do sub-sonic, look into a rifle chambered in .300 AAC Blackout. I have fired a 16"bbl AR chambered in same using 210gr. (I think) sub-sonic loads at an indoor range with concrete walls and no ear pro. The report was no louder than clapping your hands together very hard. Would I recommend that you do it all the time? Negatory Ghost Rider. The impact at the end of the 25 meter range was significant.

-S.
 
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