Because All You Guys Are Useless And Good For Nothing...

One Lung Wonder said:
I am not a revolver guy Rusty. My pistols start and end with the .45ACP (I don't do 9mm) - so all my experience is extremely limited. Furthermore - I am pretty much a slow fire kinda guy. One of the revolver gurus corrected me when I was bad mouthing the Ruger trigger; and from a single action perspective...I stand by my guns, if you'll pardon the pun! The Ruger triggers are heavy to my hand - and most respectable smiths can slick them up nicely. I am not convinced that the length of that cylinder-to-barrel jump is all that critical - this is not a target gun you would go hunting gold medals with. I have also heard that the cartridge chamber mouths must all be super consistent for best accuracy too. I agree that all that stuff may affect accuracy somewhat...but if you can bolt that thing into a Ransom Rest and it will print 2~3" groups - who can ask for more? I seem to recall that beardo on Gunblast.com showing a few sub-3" groups...and that is good enough for me.

I agree with the pro's on loading though - standard .45 LC loads are damned sweet to shoot in this sensible revolver. The only reason I might bark it up would be if I were still hunting, and our good friends in the Liberal Party of Canada and the RCMP and Fish & Wildlife gave us licensed carry permits. If I were shooting at soft targets I like to hit them with every last erg of energy I can squeeze out of my gun. Other than that, who needs the hassles and fatigue of the recoil?

100 years ago I saw a show about General Patton and he had the most awesome holster for is guns and I would like to make one for the little Redhawk just like it! If any of you fellas knock down an elephant while out on safari - couldjya spare old One Lung a tusk to carve some ivory grips out of...? :)

I shoot at SPFG outside Aaaaaadmontin....if ya see me on the range stop in and say hello - and try a few rounds for yourself!
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I ended up with a Freedom Arms .454 that shoots .45 Colt. Freedom arms wants you to buy a separate cylinder to shoot .45 Colt due to a .09 inch difference in length. I still shoot .45 Colt in the gun but if I was serious I would load my .454 brass to .45 Colt loads to compensate for the 0.09 inch. I may do this just to test it out. I wouldn't consider 3 inch groups great accuracy off a rest. Another issue is the burnt power will plug up the cylinder so it would have to be cleaned before you could switch rounds. This is true of .38 Special and .357 Mag as well.

I'm really happy this gun is out and available to us. I would prefer a 6 inch + bbl. This may force S&W to reintroduce the 625 in a longer bbl. That would be a great thing.
 
enefgee said:
So, we're useless and good for nothing, but, what's your point?
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Hazarding a guess here; but this sort of statement usually comes from 'Patch guys with a 'White Hardhat & a Black Leather chair'
It's mostly a term of endearment, but don't lose sleep wondering. Shrug, nod and continue on
 
Very nice!

I do not have a Redhawk, but I have had a Vaquero and I now have 2 Bisley's (one in 357 and one in 45 Colt). The triggers on both of them were heavy (I think it was 8 pounds on both give or take), but they broke so clean you would have thought them a pound or two lighter. I put a Wolff performance pack in the first one with a 40 ounce spring; it brought the pull down to about 3 1/2 lbs (can't remember exactly as I did it 3 years ago). The break is not a crisp as before, but better than most handguns I have tried over the years. When I got the 45 I hopped onto the Brownells website, pulled up my purchase history, and ordered the exact same set. I could swap between the two of them, #### the hammer, and pull the trigger and never know the difference between them. Long story short, I would highly recommend a Wolff spring set.
 
Well I would agree with all that Rusty...I used to shoot with the metallic silhouette crowd back in the day and they were all over that stuff. I think the sun had almost set on the game when the Casull came out which is a shame. Once the Casull came out I rember a whole slough of others did too. My favourite was the Linebaugh guns with their 5 shot cylinders and Bisley grips - that was all cutting edge stuff back then. Cripes...in those days guys like us never saw guns like that; we only read about them in the gun rags! I would love a Casull.

No, 3" groups aren't anything to write home about for a sniper with a Casull...but for a handy little production gun with no tweaks and mods? There are lots of other production guns that won't do that. With some tweaking and tuning...this has the potential to be something special IMHO. YMMV...it all depends what part of the sport you dabble in.
 
tokguy said:
Hazarding a guess here; but this sort of statement usually comes from 'Patch guys with a 'White Hardhat & a Black Leather chair'
It's mostly a term of endearment, but don't lose sleep wondering. Shrug, nod and continue on
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It's due to the lack of the Unionized enforcement of common civility that has management running amok (their mouths anyhow). They think it's funny, they think it's ok. If any 'Patch guys' want to test my theory just go into a bar (any bar) on a Saturday night and talk to the biggest guy you can find in there who isn't your employee the same way you talk to 'your guys'...$10 says you'll be running for the door in 3, 2, 1...:) It's not alright, normal people won't put up with it.
 
Rumours are that the Redhawk and SRH both use the same chamber spacing as the N frame S&W's. So if you can find speed loaders for .45Colt for an N frame they'll work with this new gun.

Rugers aren't exactly known for their slick out of the box triggers. You need to spend some time burnishing in the contact points with some shooting or dry firing or open up the guns and use some super fine stones to slick the contact points.

And from my own experience with Wolff spring kits all I can say is HELL YA! ! ! ! ! I seriously doubt you'll go wrong with a Wolff kit.

My own SRH was slicked up by a local gunsmith when they chopped the barrel down to "still barely Restricted". It's a nice trigger but it still has that little "Ruger click" in the DA pull when the cylinder stop is dropped. Being mostly a S&W guy I find that annoying because it tells me that my .44 Mag is about to punch me. I far prefer the smooth "surprise" break of the S&W trigger in DA.

Of course if you shoot mostly SA mode then this is needless information.....
 
Just a suggestion for more sh-ts'n'giggles, try loading the .45 colt with its original design load, 30 gn of FFFg under a 250 gn lead RNFP, Magnum pistol primer. Then go shoot at dusk. Yippee!
 
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It's due to the lack of the Unionized enforcement of common civility that has management running amok (their mouths anyhow). They think it's funny, they think it's ok. If any 'Patch guys' want to test my theory just go into a bar (any bar) on a Saturday night and talk to the biggest guy you can find in there who isn't your employee the same way you talk to 'your guys'...$10 says you'll be running for the door in 3, 2, 1... It's not alright, normal people won't put up with it

Actually they would say it anyhow...at the risk of getting a whipping I've found.
And it's not that they find it funny, that's just how it is. It was that way ' In the Day ' anyhow.
For the most part you could respond in kind to their ' Terms of Endearment '.
As far as Union involvement; well a 'hurt feelings' report circulates the patch now & again...that might be where that form came from?
But back to the meat of it, very cool gun. 45 LC is on my ' Bucket List ' Personally I'm leaning toward a converted S & W 2nd model.
Just don't have that ' Nother Gun ' $$$ to play with at the moment.
 
Edenchef said:
Just a suggestion for more sh-ts'n'giggles, try loading the .45 colt with its original design load, 30 gn of FFFg under a 250 gn lead RNFP, Magnum pistol primer. Then go shoot at dusk. Yippee!
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I would but I have a Uberti 1860 for when I want to get dirty! Maybe it's my imagination but the tolerances on this gun look so tight I wouldn't be surprised if a half dozen rounds wouldn't bung it up! I think I get about 24~32 shots out of my Uberti before I have to break it down and mop it...
 
I looked up that article in Gunblast Jeff Quinn wrote, and he stated that the revolver was fired hand held at a range of 25 yards, and the accuracy ranged from 5/8" for the best 5 shot group, to 2 1/2" for the worst, and this was with different ammo, so that would be perfectly acceptable to me if I was considering a Ruger.
 
I should have mine in a few days, and they say that moon clips for the 625 will not work in the Ruger. The Smith ones are thicker and cause the cylinder in the Ruger to bind
 
I took it to mean 5/8 inch in .45 Colt and 2 1/2 inch in .45ACP. I see it doesn't need moon clips for the .45 Colt so that is a plus for me as the moon clips are a PITA. I have a few of these multi calibre rigs. The issue if the gun is sighted in for once calibre it won't hit correctly for the other calibre due to the difference in the bullets. But great gun, glad it's out there for us gun nutz!
 
Yeah ... The cylinder looks to be machined and counter sunk for the moon clips. I am going to order about 12 more. But... The more I shoot .45 Long Colt... The more I like it! Dammit...looks like I gotta buy another set of reloading dies...
 
You asked for some tips. Keep your 45acp brass for the Redhawk separate from your 45acp for your auto. Burrs on your 45acp rims can tie up your Redhawk, they do on my Flattop Convertible in 45acp/45Colt and use the same brand of brass in your moon clips. All 45acp brass is not made the same.

8 - 8.5 gr of Unique under a 250gr LSWC in 45Colt is a VG 45Colt load. Warm nut not real warm but warm enough.
5 gr of Titegroup under a 200 gr LSWC in 45Colt is a fun plinking round.
5.3 gr of 231 under a 200 gr LSWC makes for a nice 45acp load

rustynut1 - In my flattop the 45acp is just as accurate as my 45 LC. Both cylinders are reamed out to .452. There will be no practical difference in accuracy that 99% of the shooters on this forum would ever notice. Not from the mouth of a genius, just some dumb ass experience shooting my Flattop.

Have fun

Bob
 
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I don't rally care about the 45acp capability, although I will get a few spare moonclips just because. What I really like about this gun is the round butt. The 45LC only redhawk with the Hogue grips (no 45acp) is still the regular square butt
 
Canuck44 said:
You asked for some tips. Keep your 45acp brass for the Redhawk separate from your 45acp for your auto. Burrs on your 45acp rims can tie up your Redhawk, they do on my Flattop Convertible in 45acp/45Colt and use the same brand of brass in your moon clips. All 45acp brass is not made the same.

8 - 8.5 gr of Unique under a 250gr LSWC in 45Colt is a VG 45Colt load. Warm nut not real warm but warm enough.
5 gr of Titegroup under a 200 gr LSWC in 45Colt is a fun plinking round.
5.3 gr of 231 under a 200 gr LSWC makes for a nice 45acp load

rustynut1 - In my flattop the 45acp is just as accurate as my 45 LC. Both cylinders are reamed out to .452. There will be no practical difference in accuracy that 99% of the shooters on this forum would ever notice. Not from the mouth of a genius, just some dumb ass experience shooting my Flattop.

Have fun

Bob
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The Ruger Convertible and this gun are apples and oranges. The Convertible has the cylinder right sized for the brass in both calibers, in fact it uses the end of the brass to stop the bullet so no crimp on the brass. The Redhawk has to have a .43 inch gap where the brass ends on the ACP round and the .45 Colt brass would end, maybe more because the ACP round uses a moon clip the Colt round does not.
 
I discovered that the Redhawk has a hook that connects the hammer to the mainspring strut, and with heavy .44 magnum loads (325 gr hard cast bullet over 20 grs of H-110) it unhooks. If you find this happens with hot, heavy bullet loads in your .45, dropping a single grain of powder resolves the issue. Then you have to walk around knowing that your super heavy, strong frame revolver only shoots girly loads.:p Nice gun by the way.
 
rustynut1 said:
The Ruger Convertible and this gun are apples and oranges. The Convertible has the cylinder right sized for the brass in both calibers, in fact it uses the end of the brass to stop the bullet so no crimp on the brass. The Redhawk has to have a .43 inch gap where the brass ends on the ACP round and the .45 Colt brass would end, maybe more because the ACP round uses a moon clip the Colt round does not.
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Look do you really think I don't know the difference? Really! Next thing you will be telling us is the Redhawk has only one cylinder on the basis you may actually think folks here would not know that. You really are an enlightened fellow. You have posted on this thread twice know and contributed nothing. Try for a third we all can hardly wait.

I suspect the OP will successfully develop accurate loads in both calibers. Others have already and I am going to go out on the limb here and suggest he will be able to do so as well.

I will add once he has fired 45acp through the gun he may find his 45acp brass lasts longer if he uses his 45LC sizing die to resize his 45acp brass.

Take Care

Bob
 
All help is sincerely appreciated, boys. As far as 45ACP brass goes, I have a five gallon pail of it and brass in that calibre should never be an issue. And lord - it is so nice to shoot without having to chase brass! :)

I've never reloaded .45 Colt before and once I know my way around the cartridge I hope to have some decent groups to post. Today I got dies and the last box of 250gr RNFP bullets from the Bullet Barn. Unfortunately all I have for powder is HP38. I would give my left nut for some of those other powders...but our trusty suppliers in Aaaaadmontin are sucking swamp water too on supplies. Who has a good selection right now? After I log out here I will drop by Higgy and see what they have...surely somebody around here actually carries gunpowder...???
 
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