Does ITAR regulate 80% lower receivers?

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I'm sure that this has been asked before, but I've done several searches on CGN and google to no avail! Having seen the stuff by Dlask just a little too late I was wondering if it was possible to purchase an 80% ar-15 (or 1911 for that matter) lower and import it legally without a broker. My gut says no, but when I am back in Canada I am only a short drive away from Bellingham and the prospect of picking up a project piece is tempting for the prices I have seen.

I am well aware of the process involved in completing and registering the finished firearm and I want to do everything above board hence the question. Has anyone imported them from the states before?

Thanks for any info.

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Yes, I purchased one through Brownells and am currently waiting for the paper work to go through. I originally called direct and the gentlemen did not know and mentioned I would find out after placing the order. I have received an email from Sandy Moranville requesting completed forms. They must go via snail mail only.
 
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Its weird i read the itar regs today. It doesn't mention 80% lowers. Its technically just a piece of aluminum but i know now that they process them via proper paperwork a lot of places. Based on the wording of ITAR i think it may be hard to get a conviction on someone importing one as if it was just a piece of aluminum. But, maybe I just need to read more. (its technically not even a part of a gun)
 
I've been looking around and it looks like most of the suppliers are out of stock :( That's why I'm trying to determine if it's worth it to get one imported or just wait and jump on a canadian one.
 
Yup, Sandy at Brownells says they can't export 80% lowers without a permit.

Hey SQR, did they ding you the $250US processing fee?


Yes there is the $250 fee, however it is a one time fee regardless of the number of items purchased. In my order I purchased the Anderson Lower for $49 with a number of other items.

I regularly purchase from Brownells do to the superior inventory along with their availability. I usually find what I want and not forced to purchase what the vendor only has in stock, if they even have stock.
 
Its weird i read the itar regs today. It doesn't mention 80% lowers. Its technically just a piece of aluminum but i know now that they process them via proper paperwork a lot of places. Based on the wording of ITAR i think it may be hard to get a conviction on someone importing one as if it was just a piece of aluminum. But, maybe I just need to read more. (its technically not even a part of a gun)


This is in the body of the Sandy email.

"Regulated items must have an export license regardless of their value or quantities. Regulated items are: barrels, barrel liners, actions, receivers, frames, cylinders, flash hiders/suppressors. Also brass/bullets.



The export license application fee is now a flat rate of $250.00 regardless of the dollar value or quantities".

More,

Thank you for your recent order. This order is on hold and will require
an export license before it can be shipped. The export license approval
process will take 30-45 days once the paperwork is received from you and
the application is submitted.

Please review the attached documents.

Required Documents:

-- The original or a certified copy of your import certificate/permit

-- A written purchase order on your letterhead stationary; According
to the State Department the purchase order needs to include: the
foreign party end-user name and complete address. Documented on
the purchase order you will need to specify the t ype of firearm,
caliber, quantity, dollar value and make/model. The purchase
order must be directed to Brownells as the suppler/distributor.
If this information is not included the export license application
will be denied. YOUR SIGNATURE IS REQUIRED.

-- End User Statement: Under the rules and regulations by our state
department as outlined by the International Traffic Arms
Regulations, ITAR, we need an end-user statement. The end-user
statement can be placed on your purchase order or sent on a
separate letterhead. YOUR SIGNATURE IS REQUIRED.

Please forward the end-user statement along with your written purchase
order, import certificate/permit and if required, the DSP83 end-user
certificate. The DSP83 form and end-user statement are two different
documents required by our state department, thus ITAR.

All documents must be mailed to Brownells. Original signatures are a
requirement of our Department of State; they will not accept fax or
e-mailed copies.

The DSP83 Form is needed if your order contains an SME or regulated
items:
Our state department is now requiring a completed DSP83 form for any SME
or regulated items. Please complete the attached DSP83 form; this
document will also need to be mailed to us and signed.


If you have additional questions on what is required or who you should
contact, please see the following information:

Additional Information for Canadian Customers:
To obtain an application for an IIC, call DFAIT at (613) 996-2387 or
1 800 267-8376, or fax your requet to (613) 996-9933. Please allow up
to three weeks for the processing of an IIC application.

Additional Information for Overseas Customers:
If you have any questions about what your country requires, please use
the link below & scroll down: The country list requirements start on
page 48 OF THE 67 page document.

The Section Header reads:
Supplement No. 4 to Part 748 - Authorities Administering Import Certif-
icate/Delivery Verification (IC/DV) and End-User Statement Systems in
Foreign Countries.
 
What makes you think that dlask is getting them from the usa.
Could be getting them from tiawan or Korea just like thsee m16 lkp some are selling.
Tiawan and Korea make and large amount of the lower priced " us made" ar parts you see
 
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http://www.guns.com/2014/05/17/awesome-new-zero-percent-lower-receiver/
 
Wow, quite involved for getting an 80% into Canada! Looks like any potential savings from buying US just got blow away. Most (all but a single unanodized dlask model) suppliers I have seen are out of stock. I guess I'll just have to keep my ear to the ground and jump the next time I see a canadian company selling them.

Thanks for the info guys!
 
i bet OP doesn't mind the loss of potential saving, but more on the availabilities on a specific brand or model. Its like guys who spend 900$ on a magpul AR lower.

As for the OP, if I can comment, whenever I send them the IIC and DSP form, I always use registered mail to make sure they get it. Also, im not sure if Sandy mentioned to you about a Blanket DSP permit? She offered me that last year when they hiked their permit fees from 3% to $250 flat rate. So basically what it is is that on the DSP permite application. You fill in saying you want to purchase 30 barrels, 10 receivers...etc etc. Then when it gets approved, pick you brand and model and Bobs your uncle.
 
Yes there is the $250 fee, however it is a one time fee regardless of the number of items purchased. In my order I purchased the Anderson Lower for $49 with a number of other items.

I regularly purchase from Brownells do to the superior inventory along with their availability. I usually find what I want and not forced to purchase what the vendor only has in stock, if they even have stock.

hows that anderson lower? have you started finishing it?

vuurwapen had some major issues during assembly with some gimmicking involved but nothing that has affected function yet.
 
Yes 80% receivers are under Itar control the site rules here say that only officials sponsors can advertise the sale of 80% receivers that is why even Canadian made products are not advertised or traded in the EE forum
From what I have seen Dlask is selling Anderson's raw aluminum forged lowers , there are much higher end products on the US Market Anderson have the required permits to export there products and wholesale is about $26.00 US on quantity you will notice that Dlask also had a limited supply of the Anderson model with the enclosed trigger guard look at the pictures .
The demand for higher end 80% keeps growing in the US market new models and types of Billet forges and polymer's keep coming out monthly and most companies are sold out of everything except the raw aluminum and higher end billets .
My friends who own a store in the USA sell 10 Polymer for every aluminium its very interesting how this market all started by a gentleman in a garage in southern Cali has taken off .
Bushy
 
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