- Location
- West Central Alberta
But are they any good? I don't need nothing fancy just a good 100 maybe 200 yard scope for a target the size of a moose lung... lol
Rem 783 on sale at WSS...$365.00
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But are they any good? I don't need nothing fancy just a good 100 maybe 200 yard scope for a target the size of a moose lung... lol
Trophy are OK entry level made in the Philippines, Elites are a noticeable step up and made in Japan. I bought 3 of the gloss Elite 3-9x40 from them so far, great scopes and not glossy like the old school steel Weavers etc, just kind of a smooth black finish. For $225 they are a good tough scope and a great hunting scope.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/bushnell-elite-3-9x40-multi-x-reticle-gloss-finish-e3940g
I personally wouldn't consider one in the short action cartridges....it's a looong action. You don't want a .223 or 308 based cartridges built on the same action they build 300 Win mags, way too long of a bolt stroke.
- Location
- West Central Alberta
Trophy are OK entry level made in the Philippines, Elites are a noticeable step up and made in Japan. I bought 3 of the gloss Elite 3-9x40 from them so far, great scopes and not glossy like the old school steel Weavers etc, just kind of a smooth black finish. For $225 they are a good tough scope and a great hunting scope.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/bushnell-elite-3-9x40-multi-x-reticle-gloss-finish-e3940g
Ok....I like this...Thanks for the heads up...
blasted_saber
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- A blue part of Ontario
These are around $330 at my local Canadian Tire.
nowarningshot
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
375 nosler partitions at WSS were something like $83.
I still cant get there on these rifles. On one hand we have a precision guy like Gerry from Mystic Precision weighing in that they are great. On the other hand, the recent history of the freedom group Remington...discount guns like the 710 and 770.
Given the history, the smart money IMO goes to a 40 year old second hand M98 commercial conversion like a Husky or PH. In 10 years someone else may have proven them to be great, not me. For now, like Looky's post, i will treat them as a Bic lighter rifle.
The disposable rifle tag was due to the 710/770 having pinned barrels that if got damaged were pretty much junk.
783 is threaded same as a Savage with the lock collar, super easy to change barrels on these.
These and others like the Axis fill a space in the market. Mostly for the guy/gal starting out that can't afford 500 or 600 bucks for a "better quality used rifle" that then requires glass, maybe mounts etc. They can walk in, plunk down 400 bucks and walk out with a "feed it a round and fire" rifle that's brand new, complete with factory warranty.
Some years back when my kids hadn't started school yet, wife didn't work, was keeping my 8 year old K-Car together with duct tape all I could afford was a 130 buck H&R break action rifle with a $40 bushnell scope (that thankfully came with the rings saving me about 10 bucks at the time that I didn't have). It was either that or no moose hunting for me.
(and consider that for a moment - 30'ish years back it cost you 200 bucks for the cheapest thing on the gun rack - barely double the cost now for a bolt gun that is considerably more accurate - while most things have gone up 8 or 10 times in price since then, a starter rifle is "way behind the price curve")
Today my cheapest scope cost double what my whole hunting rig did back then, but that was the difference between hunting or not hunting. I get that not everyone can afford to drop a lot of money on a rifle and optics.
I would rather see a guy out hunting with a 783 than not hunting at all. I would rather see him buy a 783 than nothing at all because if (he) doesn't start now it's unlikely that he will "pick up the sport" in 20 or 30 years when his financial situation is better suited to him "blowing money" on a higher end rifle.
So back when if I had of listened to someone that said - don't buy that piece of junk H&R, save up for a model 70 or whatever, and I had waited, I probably wouldn't own any guns today - If I wasn't at least "minimally invested" when C-68 came in I probably wouldn't have bothered jumping through all the hoops.
So I hope I sell all six dozen Axis and 783's I picked up back in the fall and hope they are all to first time rifle owners. So when JT and the gang come along with their next great gun strategy there will be 144 more owners out there that are invested instead of 144 guys saving up their bucks for a "good used rifle" who then decide to spend the piggy bank on something else.
I wouldn't buy a 783 because I'm fortunately in a position where I can buy a little better - not necessarily "better value" because the value of these cheap rifles that can knock the wings off a butterfly at 50 yards do have "value compared to cost" (and I still find it tough to see 600 bucks "more rifle" in a 700 SPS compared to the 783) but if I was buying a Rem it would still be the 700 "because I can afford it", and because it's a "little" better built, not because it's the better value necessarily.
But I would never say never - I bought an Axis last year to use for Yotes because it was on sale and with the rebate it cost me less than 200 bucks - and I don't care if I forget it in the woods one day or run it over with my truck. It sits in the safe beside my Weatherby's and they don't call it names or try to bully it any way
nowarningshot
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
These and others like the Axis fill a space in the market. Mostly for the guy/gal starting out that can't afford 500 or 600 bucks for a "better quality used rifle" that then requires glass, maybe mounts etc. They can walk in, plunk down 400 bucks and walk out with a "feed it a round and fire" rifle that's brand new, complete with factory warranty.
Some years back when my kids hadn't started school yet, wife didn't work, was keeping my 8 year old K-Car together with duct tape all I could afford was a 130 buck H&R break action rifle with a $40 bushnell scope (that thankfully came with the rings saving me about 10 bucks at the time that I didn't have). It was either that or no moose hunting for me.
(and consider that for a moment - 30'ish years back it cost you 200 bucks for the cheapest thing on the gun rack - barely double the cost now for a bolt gun that is considerably more accurate - while most things have gone up 8 or 10 times in price since then, a starter rifle is "way behind the price curve")
Today my cheapest scope cost double what my whole hunting rig did back then, but that was the difference between hunting or not hunting. I get that not everyone can afford to drop a lot of money on a rifle and optics.
I would rather see a guy out hunting with a 783 than not hunting at all. I would rather see him buy a 783 than nothing at all because if (he) doesn't start now it's unlikely that he will "pick up the sport" in 20 or 30 years when his financial situation is better suited to him "blowing money" on a higher end rifle.
So back when if I had of listened to someone that said - don't buy that piece of junk H&R, save up for a model 70 or whatever, and I had waited, I probably wouldn't own any guns today - If I wasn't at least "minimally invested" when C-68 came in I probably wouldn't have bothered jumping through all the hoops.
So I hope I sell all six dozen Axis and 783's I picked up back in the fall and hope they are all to first time rifle owners. So when JT and the gang come along with their next great gun strategy there will be 144 more owners out there that are invested instead of 144 guys saving up their bucks for a "good used rifle" who then decide to spend the piggy bank on something else.
I wouldn't buy a 783 because I'm fortunately in a position where I can buy a little better - not necessarily "better value" because the value of these cheap rifles that can knock the wings off a butterfly at 50 yards do have "value compared to cost" (and I still find it tough to see 600 bucks "more rifle" in a 700 SPS compared to the 783) but if I was buying a Rem it would still be the 700 "because I can afford it", and because it's a "little" better built, not because it's the better value necessarily.
But I would never say never - I bought an Axis last year to use for Yotes because it was on sale and with the rebate it cost me less than 200 bucks - and I don't care if I forget it in the woods one day or run it over with my truck. It sits in the safe beside my Weatherby's and they don't call it names or try to bully it any way
100% agree with this. Better to have a rifle than not. Better to have a new shooter financially invested and fighting gun control.
We all come from different places and have different financial situations. A few years ago i got rid of my cheaply bought...pretty rifles. Now have two that i dont concern myself with scratching on a quad or the thick stuff. A second cousin bought one of these 783 years ago, the sort of hunter that wants to go back to playstation in a hour, and hunts 4 times a decade.
Deltasilver
Regular
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- Right behind you...
I have one in 223. I wanted a gopher gun that I wouldn't be tempted to turn into yet another tacticool sniper project. It's a pretty good gun for what it is, personally I think that with a little refinement it could be great.
Things I like;
Remington stole savages trigger and then did it better.
Stock fit and finish is better than the axis, 4x4, x7 etc.
Magazine works flawlessly. Shells sit just so and feed very smooth.
Clean and consistent ejection.
fit and finish. Yes it's still that awful black oxide Remington uses on everything but no burrs or sharp edges anywhere.
1:9 twist! While I'm not going to try and take it to crazy long range, it's nice to have options.
Accuracy. Haven't found a factory load that won't print gopher sized groups at 200. Hand loads with the 55 Vmax and a 24gr charge of 135 is just... Magic.
Things I don't like;
WTF is with those scope bases? Seriously Remington.
The scope that came with the package deal. I know there's not a lot of wiggle room in a $350 price tag but they may as well have bolted on a potato.
Sling swivels. Plan to install your own because these moulded in things don't stand up to much. Or even fit a bipod very well.
Would love to see Remington take the engineering they put into eliminating weak points and do something less pedestrian with it. Maybe offer a couple more barrel profile options, some nice laminated furniture?
Anyway, I'll be trying one with a little more "oomph" this summer.
Cheers.
Things I like;
Remington stole savages trigger and then did it better.
Stock fit and finish is better than the axis, 4x4, x7 etc.
Magazine works flawlessly. Shells sit just so and feed very smooth.
Clean and consistent ejection.
fit and finish. Yes it's still that awful black oxide Remington uses on everything but no burrs or sharp edges anywhere.
1:9 twist! While I'm not going to try and take it to crazy long range, it's nice to have options.
Accuracy. Haven't found a factory load that won't print gopher sized groups at 200. Hand loads with the 55 Vmax and a 24gr charge of 135 is just... Magic.
Things I don't like;
WTF is with those scope bases? Seriously Remington.
The scope that came with the package deal. I know there's not a lot of wiggle room in a $350 price tag but they may as well have bolted on a potato.
Sling swivels. Plan to install your own because these moulded in things don't stand up to much. Or even fit a bipod very well.
Would love to see Remington take the engineering they put into eliminating weak points and do something less pedestrian with it. Maybe offer a couple more barrel profile options, some nice laminated furniture?
Anyway, I'll be trying one with a little more "oomph" this summer.
Cheers.
Still $350 too much.
These and others like the Axis fill a space in the market. Mostly for the guy/gal starting out that can't afford 500 or 600 bucks for a "better quality used rifle" that then requires glass, maybe mounts etc. They can walk in, plunk down 400 bucks and walk out with a "feed it a round and fire" rifle that's brand new, complete with factory warranty.
Some years back when my kids hadn't started school yet, wife didn't work, was keeping my 8 year old K-Car together with duct tape all I could afford was a 130 buck H&R break action rifle with a $40 bushnell scope (that thankfully came with the rings saving me about 10 bucks at the time that I didn't have). It was either that or no moose hunting for me.
(and consider that for a moment - 30'ish years back it cost you 200 bucks for the cheapest thing on the gun rack - barely double the cost now for a bolt gun that is considerably more accurate - while most things have gone up 8 or 10 times in price since then, a starter rifle is "way behind the price curve")
Today my cheapest scope cost double what my whole hunting rig did back then, but that was the difference between hunting or not hunting. I get that not everyone can afford to drop a lot of money on a rifle and optics.
I would rather see a guy out hunting with a 783 than not hunting at all. I would rather see him buy a 783 than nothing at all because if (he) doesn't start now it's unlikely that he will "pick up the sport" in 20 or 30 years when his financial situation is better suited to him "blowing money" on a higher end rifle.
So back when if I had of listened to someone that said - don't buy that piece of junk H&R, save up for a model 70 or whatever, and I had waited, I probably wouldn't own any guns today - If I wasn't at least "minimally invested" when C-68 came in I probably wouldn't have bothered jumping through all the hoops.
So I hope I sell all six dozen Axis and 783's I picked up back in the fall and hope they are all to first time rifle owners. So when JT and the gang come along with their next great gun strategy there will be 144 more owners out there that are invested instead of 144 guys saving up their bucks for a "good used rifle" who then decide to spend the piggy bank on something else.
I wouldn't buy a 783 because I'm fortunately in a position where I can buy a little better - not necessarily "better value" because the value of these cheap rifles that can knock the wings off a butterfly at 50 yards do have "value compared to cost" (and I still find it tough to see 600 bucks "more rifle" in a 700 SPS compared to the 783) but if I was buying a Rem it would still be the 700 "because I can afford it", and because it's a "little" better built, not because it's the better value necessarily.
But I would never say never - I bought an Axis last year to use for Yotes because it was on sale and with the rebate it cost me less than 200 bucks - and I don't care if I forget it in the woods one day or run it over with my truck. It sits in the safe beside my Weatherby's and they don't call it names or try to bully it any way
Absolutely agree with galamb on this. I picked up a 7mm Rem Mag last year on a whim; BNIB for $300 from someone who needed the cash instead. Like most everyone else, I was pleasantly surprised. It's built to shoot, not to look pretty. But ugly girls are fun too.
It was sitting in the safe until my brother in law mentioned he wanted to go moose hunting last fall. I put an older Vortex on it for him and he was as happy as if I built him a $5000 rig.If I had to pick one gun, would this be it? Nope.....but it runs better than fancier stuff I have and it made a new shooter happy. That's good enough for me.
