inglis browning hi power
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Register and check in the EE you may find something there
They are sold at Switzer's Auction Bancroft quite often. You can bid on line. Typical prices have been 800-1200 depending on condition. Last auction one sold for 3250!!. With auction fees and taxes got to be getting near 4 G I am not a HP knowlegable guy so have no idea why this one went for so much. We are competing with the American market now on line and the big dollar difference. Wish I had put HP's in my RRSP years ago.
I have 5 of them now. 1 Canadian, 1 Chinese, 1 Nazi Browning, 1 "lunch bucket" and 1 mis-matched serial number Chinese. Bought off of the EE here, except for the Canadian. Keep watching the EE, they are turning up weekly.
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Be aware that with their soft slides and frames, they aren't a pistol for shooting regularly so much as for having due to the collector value and history. Mine gets occasional range trips, maybe once a year. For regular shooting the modern browning guns are much better and much better able to stand up to it.
What are you basing that on? We're still running Inglis Hi Powers in the CAF with hot NATO spec 9mm and they're still running strong some 70+ years later. I'm not saying they're as as strong as the cast models but they can certainly stand up to a lot of abuse.
Yes, where DID you get the "soft slides and frames" bit? Who laid that kernel of BS on you?
This was a pistol designed and intended for use with military 9mm ammunition. A pistol of which tens of thousands of copies have used nothing BUT military 9mm ammunition. The same pistol that the FBI Hostage Rescue Unit used until relatively recently - I suspect they didn't pick a pistol with known "soft slides and frames" issues. And I've been shooting my 69C very regularly since I bought it in the mid 1970's - when can I start to expect to start seeing "soft slide and frame" issues?
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I base it on the fact that ALL inglis guns had the frames and slide torch cut from billet steel and then machined. And that they never went thru a heat treating process. They don't break but they do wear out faster then new production guns. Check out collectors grade publications, they have a volume in the HP series dedicated completely to the inglis. A lot of excellent photography and production information,
Most military handguns see fewer rounds a decade then a avid shooter puts out in a year. When IPSC started a number of competitors tried to use HP's but found due to the higher slide speeds generated by their lighter weight it was impossible to get longevity out of the HP design. Mind you this was for people shooting 100 000 plus rounds a year, and trying to hold 2" or better. It's rather well documented if you research.
And the FBI was certianly not shooting inglis guns, which is all my comment applies to. And the CF inglis guns are being scrapped out at a regular rate. We have a supply of brand new in the wax paper pistols that regularly replaces the unserviceable pistols. They don't have a quarter of the life time that a ;more modern version will have.
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You sort of forgot to mention that those very same IPSC shooters did and still do push the hell out of small caliber guns,particularly the 9mm. Sometimes known as the 9mm Major issue. You've probably seen that well documented as well in places like Brian Enos website. HPs are not the only 9mm pistols that have been worn out early due to that abuse. So imagine that - a steady diet of loads well over SAAMI pressure maximums, along with all sorts of wild and wooly spring weight combinations to increase cycling speed, wears pistols out prematurely. It's part of the reason the PF was lowered from 175,000 to 165,000 - competitors were not going to stop pushing 9mms and 38 Supers to make Major. And I'm aware you already know this because of the research you did - I'm just passing that along for anyone else reading here as you forgot to mention it.
As you are apparently a gun plumber or acquainted with somebody who is, just what does this "regular rate" amount to, per year? I'm genuinely curious, because the only thing related to the Inglis that has crossed my desk in recent memory is the Technical Safety Notice from July of last year, relating to the safety sear, complete with the two different NSN numbers. In looking at C-71-107-000/MM-000, C-71-107-000/MN-000, and C-71-107-000/NP-000, just what section of the inspections are being failed that is leading to this sudden, "regular rate" of replacement? Because again, having been sidecared into working for the RQMS for a while, and giving the gun plumbers access to the weapons vault as they did their annual inspections, I haven't seen Inglis pistols leaving, never to be seen again, with shiny new Inglis pistols complete with decal coming to replace them.
Yes, Inglis pistols do get written off at times; that's been true for the 30 years I've been in the CF. But I've also seen C7s get written off, Carl Gs, a .50 cal or two... all in the same time frame. The only weapon platform off the top of my head that showed widespread failure was the 106mm recoilless rifle. The breach blocks were cracking and they all did leave service at about the same time.
But again, I'm just an old infantry senior NCO, not a gun plumber, not in logistics, or anything like that. So if there is a sudden increase of Inglis pistols that are unserviceable beyond the repairs specified in the pams mentioned above, I'd certainly like to hear more about it. Can't possibly be one of the Divisions simply scrapping pistols instead of doing ordinary repairs because they don't see the point of repairing pistols while unused ones will end up going to the scape yards unissued, would it? Kind of like what was done with the C1s in some places?
very old post,,but complete horse####,these Inglis High Powers are still in use by the thousands,they dont wear out any faster than old 1911's do,too funny,hell they're even in use in the sandbox right now,LOL
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What is the lunch bucket? Do you have any pre war belgian made Hi Powers? Do you want one?
Which sandbox is that? After 10 years in Afghanistan, there were a lot of brownings carried, not a lot of shots fired in anger. Most units don't actually train much with their pistols. I doubt all the pistols combined sitting in my vault right now have fired more than a box of ammo in the last 3 years.
"in use" usually means in the holster, getting neglected by the owner.
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I have seen a few in action at the club but more of an exception folks hanging on to them for sentimental reasons.
And some units do a lot of training with their pistols - in nearly 30 years, I never served with or ran a range with an infantryman or anyone else from any combat arms who said "I HATE shooting pistols". Depends how motivated - or lazy - the officers running the ranges are. Which can change from year to year, no matter what regiment/battalion you're talking about.
There were a lot of C7A1/2's carried in KAF that weren't fired in anger either.
In either case, pretty much all weapons got well used in workup training prior to any tours, all the way back to the days of Cyprus. And in trips to the range during a tour. In the case of pistols, it wasn't uncommon for the more lazy to just pick a few pistols to get dirty, and run everybody through the range serials with just those pistols with the others kept nice and clean. So those particular pistols got lots of use.
And then there's the pistols and rifles at places like CTC Gagetown, which get the crap shot out of them by all the troops rotating through.
The primary key to longevity is proper, regular servicing. Like changing out recoil springs once they're out of spec - it would be interesting to know what percentage of civilian HPs have never, ever had the recoil spring replaced.
Holy! I can remember you could get a minty for $200! But then again I bought my first S&W 52 for that and it was a demo!
A few spray cans and custom camo job will take care of that logo lol
Great to see an Inglis Diamond, thanks for sharing,
