Brand new mossberg full of rust

I might post the pics, of both guns here at some time. I wasn't impressed much with how any of this was handled, but as they say, "It is what it is".

One thing that did happen. I contacted mossberg before my original post here. They never did respond to my concerns, however they did quickly put me on their promotional mailing list. Also kind of Cheesy. The second gun is rust free now (I hope), with considerable time and effort by me, but that is not the point. The point is that bad product was sold to a buyer, with next to no options given by anyone of the profit makers to properly correct the problem. I ended up fixing the problem, with my time, and at my cost.

If you ever buy a product, and they have a no refund policy for defective products. Think before you buy, is the lesson of the day.
 
DILLIGAF said:
When I compare my new 500 to my 1974 500, I can easily say the new ones are junk.
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I bought a 500 new in 1980. It was junk. My wife has a 930 semi in walnut and my dad has one in synthetic. They have been great. Plus I have many vintage Mossberg .22's. So not bashing Mossberg, just saying the 500 I had back in the day was not impressive.
 
gunsaholic said:
I bought a 500 new in 1980. It was junk. My wife has a 930 semi in walnut and my dad has one in synthetic. They have been great. Plus I have many vintage Mossberg .22's. So not bashing Mossberg, just saying the 500 I had back in the day was not impressive.
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From my experiences it goes back even further than that. Not saying the one in the 60's were total junk but I remember in 1965 looking at the wingmaster and the new mossy 16ga 500 that was just out a couple of years I think side by side and I left with the 16ga wingmaster
The mossy was just not there when one compared the two from fit, finish etc etc
Cheers
 
Fit and finish is lower on the Mossberg for sure, but the point is the rust, and how everything was handled. With work the 500 is shooting OK. I know others who have the 500, and they shoot ok. The price is lower, so fit, and finish do get compromised by design. Function is a must, or don't build it, and if you sell a bad one replace it with a good one, or at least offer to give the money back. Rust on a new gun, not to mention 2 of them built 6000 apart, is not acceptable at any price. These were not built on the same day, so it can't be just a person who wasn't paying attention that day.
 
alta780 said:
Fit and finish is lower on the Mossberg for sure, but the point is the rust, and how everything was handled. With work the 500 is shooting OK. I know others who have the 500, and they shoot ok. The price is lower, so fit, and finish do get compromised by design. Function is a must, or don't build it, and if you sell a bad one replace it with a good one, or at least offer to give the money back. Rust on a new gun, not to mention 2 of them built 6000 apart, is not acceptable at any price. These were not built on the same day, so it can't be just a person who wasn't paying attention that day.
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Fit and finish normally go hand in hand with material specifications used for manufacturer and metallurgy which has a major impact on rust formation
That is the point you are missing
Example. Quality steels with high carbon & some chromium tend to corrode much much slower than low carbon steels
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I know properly protected low carbon steel, in barrel attachment screws and other various areas should not rust. No different than properly protected higher carbon steel, which will or won't rust based on the protection they have. The areas of these guns which were protected did not rust, the areas which weren't protected by the way of poor QC, did rust.

Cheers
 
alta780 said:
I know properly protected low carbon steel, in barrel attachment screws and other various areas should not rust. No different than properly protected higher carbon steel, which will or won't rust based on the protection they have. The areas of these guns which were protected did not rust, the areas which weren't protected by the way of poor QC, did rust.

Cheers
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Don't assume it was a quality control issue. Items could have been non protected by design especially when talking fasteners to keep costs down and use cheaper unfinished / unprotected grades
Cheers
 
alta780 said:
Replaced with another rusty shotgun. I only responded to comments made. Thread still open.
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That would tell me something.Bet no 3 and no 4 and no 5 also show the same. I do
P & D are one of the good guys to deal with and unfortunately they can only work with what is there from the manufacturer with respect to quality and materials used and all will rust just a matter when and how much. Even the best finishes break down over time and mossy would not have a top quality one to begin with
Time to accept what this is and move on IMO or fly to mossy and get one with a better best before date
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Cheers
 
Sorry to hear your bad exp with Mossberg, I bought a maverick 88 6 years ago and apart from being a bit rough to pump the fit and finish is pretty good, never had rust then and now and for a big 200$..
 
jethunter said:
This thread delivers.
Online whining is the best - and arguing about whining is very cool. :)
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Yes I guess it is the best, entertaining for some. I wonder if you would have been just fine with a rusted brand new gun, or if you wouldn't be concerned at all when you were given no option but to take another rusted brand new gun for a replacement, or if the manufacturer put you on an email promotional list rather than to respond to the problem? I am a bit surprised that a business member would jump in like that. I thought that would be left for the others. But you do have many posts, so your opinion is welcome. I hope you don't mind if I continue to respond as well, and also state my opinion.
 
Your predicament isn't amusing, but what is amusing (maybe even you noticed) is how these threads degenerate into worthlessness before the second page starts. It is amusing but not new - happens at least 3 times a week on CGN. Most people outgrow it, just wait and see if you don't agree with me a year from now.

If you really have an issue then show the proof. IMO a retailer that sold a new firearm that has serious issues right out of the box should fix it, and it sounds like P&D tried to do that for you. If it were me, I wouldn't "state my opinion" - I would let the pictures do the talking for me. Can't argue with reality but you can certainly argue with an opinion.

Here's my opinion: It is your friend's gun, not yours? You don't have pictures? If it is a real issue why would you refinish or alter a new firearm without waiting for the retailer or the manufacturer to correct the defect or refund the sale - I wouldn't alter anything. Maybe the defect wasn't actually such a big deal? Minor perhaps? I don't know - I'm just stating my opinion and there is no proof to say otherwise. Because stating opinions is so very positive and helpful. Don't you agree? :)
 
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