Rifle Shooting Extemely Far Right

This is really sounding like a bent barrel, or a major barrel issue. If carefully bore sighted and the bullet is impacting that far off something is amiss.
 
This is starting to sound like something funny at the muzzle. I'd love to see a pic if possible. Sort of related, but what ammo have you tried? I know that it won't be the cause of the shift to the right, but ammo selection could certainly be responsible for the group size.
 
Yea if it's grouping poorly like that, it's nothing to do with optics unless the scope is moving.

But if your crosshairs are on what you see through the bore and you're still hitting way off, and not grouping, I'd be looking at the barrel, specially the muzzle
 
Please post some high definition close-up photos of the muzzle/crown. I recall a club member a few years ago purchasing a brand-new CZ452 Silhouette that had a strange looking muzzle/crown (as shipped from the factory). Didn't shoot worth a pinch of you-know-what. Eventually got CZ to replace it.
 
I took photos of the crown but they really didn't turn out. Tried another scope again with the same result.

Looks like I'm sending it to CZ for warrany. Looks like I have two new rifles in for warranty repair. I hope the service from CZ is better than I'm getting on my TacSol.

I can't seem to find anything online regarding where to send it. Anyone know?
 
Old Savage, couple things.
I have not read any of the recent posts from 35 and down, so please bare with me.

Have you had this gun bore sighted and by whom?

Have you checked the action screws and are they equally tight?

Where are the pictures of your targets?

What is your choice of ammo too?

Don't be so quick to assume it is the gun and not your choice of scopes and please refresh my memory as to the scopes you have used, please.

Warranty is no quick and easy fix either, they will take their time in replying and possibly correcting your issues.

Your warranty information will be in the gun box it came in or call the store you bought it from.

Tight Groups,
Rob
 
Hey Rob,

Thanks for the reply. Let me first say that I am not new to shooting and have owned numerous rifles which I have installed scopes on almost all of them. My process has changed over the years and I generally don't even use a boresight anymore. I simply look down the bore and line it up with the scope and then fine tune. This has work 100 percent of the time which the exception of this one. A boresight was used to confirm my findings. Rifle boresighted and it shoots way off the paper to the right. I max out the windage and I'm still off target and boresighting further confirms this.

Scopes I used were two Burris fullfields and leupold vx 2. Action screws and barrel screws removed a retorqued more than once. Ammo includes winchester 555, Blazer, Sk Rifle Match, CCI Mini Mag, CCI SV and maybe some others.

I realize warranty takes awhile as I'm going through it right now. I have provided a response to every question people have asked. I have a lemon what else am I supposed to do.
 
OldSavage said:
I realize warranty takes awhile as I'm going through it right now. I have provided a response to every question people have asked. I have a lemon what else am I supposed to do.
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Welp OldSavage, when life hands you lemons , you make lemon aide !! ;)

No, just had to ask a few more questions to refresh my grey matter between the ears is why I asked the basic questions.
I am sure th crew for CZ will have an answer for you when it gets to their depot.
Again, interested in your troubles and the solution they provide.
I have owned and shot 6 CZ in 452 and not yet the 455 and that one is yet to be fired hence my interest in your troubles and the solution CZ provides.
Tight Groups down the road,
Rob
 
It's got my head spinning. That's why I spent so much time trying to figure it out. I'm going through a nightmare of a warranty repair on another rifle at the moment so I'm not looking forward to going through this.
 
Have you taken a good look down the bore yet? I saw a brand new Rem 700 that had the bore drilled with a kink in it about 5 or 6 inches from the muzzle. Outside of the barrel was fine, but a nice dog-leg inside. That guy couldn't get it sighted in either, and brought it back to the store to see if anybody could figure out what was wrong. Someone noticed that the bore at the muzzle was not centered, and looked down.
 
Without changing the scope setings, where do the groups go when you shoot 3-shot groups at 25, 50 and 100 yds? If the groups are 3" right at 25 yds, 6 " right at 50 yds and 12 " right at 100 yds then either the barrel is bent or the scope is not parallel to the bore and directly above it as it should be.
 
So, I had an interesting weekend.

Ran into a machinist/hobbyist buddy of mine who took a real interest in the issues I was having with this rifle. Maybe more of a interest in proving me wrong and exposing some stupid mistake that I had made as the situation seems very odd. But in any event he did all the same things I did we even tried a new set of rings I bought with the same result. Took the scope and rings off, took the barrel off, reassembled and test fired. Same result. Repeat....same result. The bore was offline somehow but why? Hmmmm

So his next thought was shoot the thing so that's what we did. I purchased a set of Millet Angle Loc rings as I mentioned above. These rings didn't solve the problem but it did get the rifle on paper. Grouping was shotgun like for the first 50 rounds or so until the rounds stopped hitting the paper all together. We then zero'd the windage on the scope, dialed the scope in line with the bore again using the rings and started the process all over again. Bamm, it was on paper. Made a few little tweaks with the windage and elevation and got it close to the bull. Grouping was around 1 inch at 25 yards and after above 50 rounds it started to tighten up. I switched to the 50 yard target and things continued to improve with the odd group being over an inch and some tighter with a few fliers here and there. By the end of the day and 200 rounds later my last three groups were under 1/2 inch. Looking through the scope and bore now lines up on the same general location (I didn't have a boresight this time so I did it old school). The rifle likes CCI SV more than Lapua Rifle Match which is interesting but also good for my wallet.

So the rifle shoots now. What the hell was going on before and how did it "fix" itself? Something in the bore? Rough crown?

On a side note I purchased this rifle NIB for a CGN member. When I explained this problem to him he was extremely supportive and he was going to give me a refund for the rifle. I'm glad I couldn't make it down to meet him last week and decided to spend a bit more time with this rifle. Still, its nice to know the kind of people that are on this forum.

I hope this rifle stays shooting true and doesn't revert back to its former attitude problems.
 
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Sometimes dawgs and womean arr like this.
Yah gotta be perstistant and lett'm know whomz baws.
Good on you for finally make'n a shewter owt this shewter.
 
Did you clean it before shooting, I have one and read that some or most have a lot of hard gunk in the barrel and various ways to get it out.

Maybe you finally shot all the crap out of it? or you have some rough spots that filled in with lube and smoothed it out?

Also read about burrs at the start of the rifling tossing shots, maybe you got them knocked down a bit.

If it was mine I'd get it bore scoped, they should be way better than that - or sell it on the EE and post up a good target :)
 
I always run a brush and patch through new rifles before shooting. I don't go through a break in process with rimfires like I do with centerfires as I don't think it's necessary.

I would never sell a problem to another person but if this thing keeps shooting like this I highly doubt i'd be selling it.
 
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