SKS Mud Test

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Similar to the InRange TV mud tests. In those videos, the AK fails, VZ58 fails, M1 and M1A fails, AR-15 succeeds. This SKS test is not perfect, as it fails with fresh wet mud, but succeeds on the second try. What do you guys think? That Com-Bloc reliability is over-hyped, but I still love my SKS and it seems to outperform the AK and Vz58 in terms of this reliability test. It seems like the better sealed actions do better. The AK, M1/M1A have those holes in the receiver behind the bolt that allows mud to enter and clog up the action. Not sure about the VZ58 situation. With all those rifles, once jammed up with mud, they need a disassembly and cleaning to start working again. With the SKS, as in this video, just some water and running the action seems to keep the rifle going despite some misfires. The AR-15 is the most sealed action and succeeds even without dust cover engaged.

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Link to InRangeTV mud tests: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj9u4Ts2NpEv4Fnwx2_ig4wVqiONfH1me
 
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Reliability of firearms isn't typically judged by shovelling mud onto them and calling the malfunctions a failed design. The M1 performed valliantly in WW2, the AK remains the most widely used small arm in the world, the SKS has nothing left to prove either. The VZ saw significant use for decades and all these rifles are still in service around the world. Their reliability was proven long before youtube came along. WW1 conditions were horrific and tested everything to hell and back on a continuous round trip. Wars are not fought like that anymore. Don't get me wrong, these tests are interesting and I enjoy watching them but I don't feel the longstanding reputations of these rifles has been tarnished.
 
The SKS is still the most commonly used rifle in the Ukrainian civil war, despite AK's being available. I find that interesting.
 
mosinmaster said:
Similar to the InRange TV mud tests. In those videos, the AK fails, VZ58 fails, M1 and M1A fails, AR-15 succeeds. This SKS test is not perfect, as it fails with fresh wet mud, but succeeds on the second try. What do you guys think? That Com-Bloc reliability is over-hyped, but I still love my SKS and it seems to outperform the AK and Vz58 in terms of this reliability test. It seems like the better sealed actions do better. The AK, M1/M1A have those holes in the receiver behind the bolt that allows mud to enter and clog up the action. Not sure about the VZ58 situation. With all those rifles, once jammed up with mud, they need a disassembly and cleaning to start working again. With the SKS, as in this video, just some water and running the action seems to keep the rifle going despite some misfires. The AR-15 is the most sealed action and succeeds even without dust cover engaged.

Link to InRangeTV mud tests: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj9u4Ts2NpEv4Fnwx2_ig4wVqiONfH1me
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You have to take those tests with a grain of salt. They really depend on who's testing. I saw some russian videos and they show AR15 miserably fails in tests with AKs. I think I posted the video recently.
Each army has a set of tests for trials of new type of the rifle, those tests are based on previous experience and current military doctrine and way above home made you-tube jokes.

Claven2 said:
The SKS is still the most commonly used rifle in the Ukrainian civil war, despite AK's being available. I find that interesting.
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No and no.
 
Not to cause any dispute, but there is an interesting point mentioned by Claven and disagreed with by Horilka, regarding the rifles is being used
by the Ukrainians in their current conflict. I would like to know more about how and why the Ukrainians are armed. We have all seen some
pictures of prisoners being guarded by soldiers with SKS, but what role is the SKS being used for on the battle field?:confused:
 
Watched it until he puts mud on top of it and had enought...

Never in my 13 yrs of reg force infantry did I drag my issued C7/C8 thru mud or allowed it to be that dirty. These tests are absolutly useless and should be looked at as a pure joke.

Want a real torture test : operate your firearm in the Artic and desert in the same year. That same rifle will get thrown in and out pf vehicles, including perfectly good flying condition aircraft and the landing that comes with it. Fire an assload of blank ammo to the point of having a red hot barrel then manage to get MOA accuracy with live ammo. Also remember this firearm does parades and exercises in Gagetown or Wainwright... And its cleaned way more than it should be to satisfy someone up the CoC


Thats a real torture test!
 
Anyone ever notice how the "tests" are always done with modded or aftermarket stocked SKS rifles?

I want to see a realistic test - with a stock from factory SKS.
 
dt741 said:
watched it until he puts mud on top of it and had enought...

Never in my 13 yrs of reg force infantry did i drag my issued c7/c8 thru mud or allowed it to be that dirty. These tests are absolutly useless and should be looked at as a pure joke.

Want a real torture test : Operate your firearm in the artic and desert in the same year. That same rifle will get thrown in and out pf vehicles, including perfectly good flying condition aircraft and the landing that comes with it. Fire an assload of blank ammo to the point of having a red hot barrel then manage to get moa accuracy with live ammo. Also remember this firearm does parades and exercises in gagetown or wainwright... And its cleaned way more than it should be to satisfy someone up the coc


thats a real torture test!
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^^this!
 
Robert Nicholson said:
Not to cause any dispute, but there is an interesting point mentioned by Claven and disagreed with by Horilka, regarding the rifles is being used
by the Ukrainians in their current conflict. I would like to know more about how and why the Ukrainians are armed. We have all seen some
pictures of prisoners being guarded by soldiers with SKS, but what role is the SKS being used for on the battle field?:confused:
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The Ukrainians arent using any SKS to my knowledge, but the pro-russian separatists seem to have plenty of them.
 
Robert Nicholson said:
Not to cause any dispute, but there is an interesting point mentioned by Claven and disagreed with by Horilka, regarding the rifles is being used
by the Ukrainians in their current conflict. I would like to know more about how and why the Ukrainians are armed. We have all seen some
pictures of prisoners being guarded by soldiers with SKS, but what role is the SKS being used for on the battle field?:confused:
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PM me, I will be glad to assist, we don't need political discussions here, as calling Russian military invasion in Ukraine "civil war" is like calling WW2 in Europe "civil war" as most European countries had Nazi collaborators too. It was indeed provoking statement.
 
Claven2 said:
The SKS is still the most commonly used rifle in the Ukrainian civil war, despite AK's being available. I find that interesting.
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Excuse me...it's not a civil war, it's a border conflict.
But I have not seen too many pics of SKS being used in that conflict. But if you post proof...well
 
If your rifle was full of mud you would fall back and clean it, since you are of no use to anybody.
Because A) your rifle probably won't work, and B) you must be suffering from idiocy.
 
The difference from this guys test and InRangeTV's tests is, InRange actually wanted the rifles to fail. This guy seems like he wanted the SKS to pass. He put on almost nothing for mud compared to InRange and the mud they had was a lot more watery making it able to seep into the receivers causing the gun to fail.

The most common comment from people who are in denial of the results of these tests say, Something like this would never happen. Oh how I remember the M1A fan clubs reaction and then the M1 Garand fan club started claiming that the M1 Garand is more reliable than the M1A. Then they actually do a test on the M1 Garand and it did even worse!
 
Ed Smurf said:
Excuse me...it's not a civil war, it's a border conflict.
But I have not seen too many pics of SKS being used in that conflict. But if you post proof...well
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It is an exaggeration when I say "the most commonly used", but it is being used in huge numbers for an "obsolete" carbine - likely because the opposing forces have a lot of access to them.

Here are a few pics from a quick search.

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And to top things off, a PTRS, just because it's cool.

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I like how he struggles with the stripper clips and the way the sks kicks and he hangs on for dear life. I was hoping a big glob of mud would land in his mouth
 
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