Why does everyone give the axis a hard time?

cdn1canhunt said:
I would guess the ww 16 is older inventory kicking around from before the cdn dollar went into free fall. Just guess though
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I've been following cabelas looking for one in a 204 but never seem to have it. They used to be a $850 gun than they were $699 now $650. There calibers are constantly changing online tho so I'm not sure if it's old stock
 
gasguzzler said:
I've been following cabelas looking for one in a 204 but never seem to have it. They used to be a $850 gun than they were $699 now $650. There calibers are constantly changing online tho so I'm not sure if it's old stock
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Not to sure on that either, they must want to move them? I would call maybe someone would do a search for a .204 in their retail system somewhere
 
I'm no hater of inexpensive rifles. I think it's great a fellow can buy two or even three rifles for the relative price of what a Remington used to cost in the day.

So, I checked out an axis (with a completely open mind) at a local retailer and I found it to be basically horrible in terms of ergonomics, smoothness and it's trigger.

As a basement gunplumber I know I could have spent a Saturday shortening and stiffening the stock, smoothing the action, and working the trigger. But why? For like $50 more a guy can get a Rem 783 or a Savage 11/111 on sale and you've got such a better rifle that would need none of that.

If I pick up an 80 year old milsurp sporter for $150, I'm totally fine spending a weekend rebuilding it into a functional hunting rig; but if I'm buying a new rifle, I'd better not have to do any more than adjust a trigger.
 
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Northman999 said:
I'm no hater of inexpensive rifles. I think it's great a fellow can buy two or even three rifles for the relative price of what a Remington used to cost in the day.

So, I checked out an axis (with a completely open mind) at a local retailer and I found it to be basically horrible in terms of ergonomics, smoothness and it's trigger.

As a basement gunplumber I know I could have spent a Saturday shortening and stiffening the stock, smoothing the action, and working the trigger. But why? For like $50 more a guy can get a Rem 783 or a Savage 11/111 on sale and you've got such a better rifle that would need none of that.

If I pick up an 80 year old milsurp sporter for $150, I'm totally find spending a weekend rebuilding it into a functional hunting rig; but if I'm buying a new rifle, I'd better not have to do any more than adjust a trigger.
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Great summary on the Axis.
 
The axis is an inexpensive rifle that has a smooth action, feeds and functions reliably, is accurate and will last a normal hunter two life times of hunting....there are also a lot of aftermarket goodies it you want to play with improvements.

For the price you really cant go wrong. :)
 
hawk-i said:
Yeah well its all price related, isn't it now?
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No, it isn't..... But yes it is..... A smooth action is a smooth action.....

If you want to say that the axis has a smooth action for the price, I can't argue that...... Because everything at its price point has a rough action..... Compared to everything at an upper price point.....

But to say the savage axis has a smooth action as a "generality" is false..... Jmop....
 
Hoakster said:
I'm sorry, but that "paddle a canoe" line made me laugh.
I've got a Fender acoustic that I've been saying that about for 30 years.
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iirc Kim Mitchell stops just short of calling his touring guitar 'Blue' a POS, but it has a good sound
That said, when I bought a budget 223 for my son, I went with the 783

Northman999 said:
If I pick up an 80 year old milsurp sporter for $150, I'm totally fine spending a weekend rebuilding it into a functional hunting rig; but if I'm buying a new rifle, I'd better not have to do any more than adjust a trigger.
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^^^this. My No.1 MkIII sporter has a smooth bolt, lol
 
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Superbrad said:
No, it isn't..... But yes it is..... A smooth action is a smooth action.....

If you want to say that the axis has a smooth action for the price, I can't argue that...... Because everything at its price point has a rough action..... Compared to everything at an upper price point.....

But to say the savage axis has a smooth action as a "generality" is false..... Jmop....
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Ok, I'll rephrase my comment....the Axis action is as smooth or smoother than others within that price point. It will work functionally and reliably without noticed effort, it will proved accuracy equal to guns at much higher price points and for the average hunter will last two life times. For the price you really can't go wrong. :) :)
 
The Axis was never designed or intended to have a "smooth" action, it works and that is all!

It is built entirely for function over form, if you want a fancy "smooth" gun, go buy one

If you want a gun that just works and hits where you are aiming go buy 3 or 5 Axis for the same money.
 
Superbrad said:
I personally think they should have never made the axis and stuck with the Stevens 200..... At least the Stevens wasn't so fugly....

Further to the title of this thread, what's with everyone accusing us that don't like the axis of being a "snob"?........ Life is expensive these days.... I cut corners where I can.... But I won't if it lessens my experience.... Or if I feel the cost of poor quality may come back to bite me in the ass.....
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Ahhh yes, the snob as those who are willing to pay a little more for something better are referred to as. The only snob is the person who calls those who are willing or can afford a bit more a snob because they are neither willing to spend a bit more or are jealous of those who can.
Last summer I was approached one evening at the trap club by a young fellow who was new to shooting. He had been using an H&R single shot that was quite short in barrel length and he was having a heck of a time trying to connect with the clay targets. After a round he approached me with a number of questions about how to hit targets and next about my gun and its design. I sat with him and answered all his questions. Eventually he got around as everyone seems to about price. I told him about 5K and he looked at me with shock/horror and said I can buy a car for that much money. I said yes you probably can but how old, what kind of mileage and what will it be worth five years and 50,000 more km's from now?
 
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I'm a lefty and needed a rifle chambered for a varmint caliber, to legally hunt coyote (3-4 times a year) in Southern Ontario. Picked-up a brand-new LH Axis in 223 for $350 taxes in, a faulty mag was replaced by the company. Now, it goes bang every time, and is accurate. I follow the EE and can tell you with certainty that I could not have found a used LH gun for such low a price.
 
the spank said:
Ahhh yes, the snob as those who are willing to pay a little more for something better are referred to as. The only snob is the person who calls those who are willing or can afford a bit more a snob because they are neither willing to spend a bit more or are jealous of those who can.
Last summer I was approached one evening at the trap club by a young fellow who was new to shooting. He had been using an H&R single shot that was quite short in barrel length and he was having a heck of a time trying to connect with the clay targets. After a round he approached me with a number of questions about how to hit targets and next about my gun and its design. I sat with him and answered all his questions. Eventually he got around as everyone seems to about price. I told him about 5K and he looked at me with shock/horror and said I can buy a car for that much money. I said yes you probably can but how old, what kind of mileage and what will it be worth five years and 50,000 more km's from now?
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That's exactly it.... And it has shown its head several times in this thread....

Savage axis fanboys bragging about their stellar range groups off a bench in the hunting forum and making ridiculous claims about routinely hitting gongs offhand at ridiculous ranges and telling the rest of us how we are wasting our money on nice guns since the axis has all of the answers.... Then If you say the slightest thing against them or state why you feel brand x is superior, even if supported by fact, you are a snob.....

Buy one, use one, fill your boots.... But don't come to a firearm enthusiast forum and expect to wow enthusiasts with how great it is.... Many know better....
 
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