Advise on a 410

410 for skeet really? Kewl, the more who do the more I win competitions....

Worse thing on a trap or skeet range is the guys with semi autos backing up the line picking up spent hulls ..... (shakes head)

And I bet you win a lot. If you do you must also be a master on the 410 which I would be suprised
Guys who think like you are the worst on any field IMO. Skeet snobs i call them. It takes couple minutes between rounds to pick up hulls less if you help :) big deal.

But then again if there wasn't guys like you who in the hell would I enjoy kicking their ass with my little 1100 410's and watching them crying and slamming their krieghoffs ( that is if you made it there yet) back on the rack and I have been doing it for years. Priceless :)

And yes I made the circle thinking the high end guns like krieghoffs would improve my scores but the funny part is my best was a 396/400 in 4 gauge with guess what old 1100's is what I used and I had to pick up hulls after
Cheers
 
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What are people's thoughts on the bps. Never tried one with the bottom ejection. It looks a little awkward to use. Not sure just a thought.


QUOTE=GCJ;12393485]Ellwood epps has a 410 Browning bps pump shot show edition grade 2 / 3 with 3 chokes for $850. Would do the trick!
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I have a set in 410 and 28ga and they are great working guns but I find for me they don't fit me well almost like my arms are too short. If they fit they are fine. Mine the barrels are a bit longer at 28" I think also than the old remingtons
 
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There is nothing as frustrating nor as rewarding as shooting skeet with a .410. My first choice would be a tubed O/U. If an O/U is out of the question I think the choices become quite limited. 1100 as mentioned and there are a few pumps. See if you can borrow a gun to give it a try before you make a serious investment. Shooting the .410 may be something which may make you want to give up the game altogether.

Brad.

Well said
Cheers
 
410 for skeet really? Kewl, the more who do the more I win competitions....

Worse thing on a trap or skeet range is the guys with semi autos backing up the line picking up spent hulls ..... (shakes head)

Well its much easier to beat someone with a 4:10 when you're shooting a 12ga so I would assume you are talking informal competition since if it was a formal competition in all likelihood it would be a 4:10 event!? However I suspect its more of a joe blow shows up at the range to shoot some regular sunday afternoon rounds just to try it out because he has heard so much about it, proceeds to shoot on a squad or two with folks he doesn't know and shoots a decent score besting a couple of the others but not able to shoot the high score, yet goes home and proceeds to tell everyone how he went to the local club and really put it on the avid and competitive shooters with their expensive guns and how he is not even a regular skeet shooter. Yep seen and heard that type often.......too often!!f:P:2:

Or better yet when someone tells me they shoot "skeets" alot after I have mentioned skeet shooting in a conversation and when asked which club they shoot at they proceed to say the same club as I yet I have never seen them there once in the 25 years I have shot there? Or when asked which club they shoot at they just go to Canadian Tire and buy a box of "skeets" and go out to a friends place to shoot the "skeets" with a hand or ground thrower because you don't need an expensive gun or need to join a club to shoot "skeets"......f:P:2:f:P:2:
 
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Well its much easier to beat someone with a 4:10 when you're shooting a 12ga so I would assume you are talking informal competition since if it was a formal competition in all likelihood it would be a 4:10 event!? However I suspect its more of a joe blow shows up at the range to shoot some regular sunday afternoon rounds just to try it out because he has heard so much about it, proceeds to shoot on a squad or two with folks he doesn't know and shoots a decent score besting a couple of the others but not able to shoot the high score, yet goes home and proceeds to tell everyone how he went to the local club and really put it on the avid and competitive shooters with their expensive guns and how he is not even a regular skeet shooter. Yep seen and heard that type often.......too often!!f:P:2:

Or better yet when someone tells me they shoot "skeets" alot after I have mentioned skeet shooting in a conversation and when asked which club they shoot at they proceed to say the same club as I yet i have never seen them there once in the 25 years I have shot there? Or when asked which club they just go to Canadian tire and buy "skeets" and go out to a friends place to shoot the "skeets" with a hand or ground thrower because you don't need an expensive gun or join a club to shoot "skeets"......f:P:2:f:P:2:

Well said spank.:) Yes sir I have went against many of those skeet shooters over the years;)
 
Hey boys, I hear what you're saying, I'm one of those guys. I've killed thousands of birds in our back pasture with 95+% hit rate (especially birds fired from a hockey stick).

Yesterday was my first visit to an actual club. I took two buddies that hadn't ever shot before. We had one helluva good time, and I learned that I'm not a 95% shooter on a real course, yet. I'm joining my local club this spring.

What I definitely noticed is that at 38 I was the youngest person there by at least 20 years. My contact at my local club says it's the exact situation at home.

My point is that it's a somewhat intimidating place and sport to break into, and if we don't somehow draw in some young blood, soon, it's gonna go the way of the dodo. Poking fun at people who come out and try ain't the way to make it better. The boys at the club yesterday were absolutely great, but I made it subtly clear that I knew what I was doing, and that we were safe, yet twice there was paternalistic moments of being talked down to. That's a real turn off.

-J.
 
Hey boys, I hear what you're saying, I'm one of those guys. I've killed thousands of birds in our back pasture with 95+% hit rate (especially birds fired from a hockey stick).

Yesterday was my first visit to an actual club. I took two buddies that hadn't ever shot before. We had one helluva good time, and I learned that I'm not a 95% shooter on a real course, yet. I'm joining my local club this spring.

What I definitely noticed is that at 38 I was the youngest person there by at least 20 years. My contact at my local club says it's the exact situation at home.

My point is that it's a somewhat intimidating place and sport to break into, and if we don't somehow draw in some young blood, soon, it's gonna go the way of the dodo. Poking fun at people who come out and try ain't the way to make it better. The boys at the club yesterday were absolutely great, but I made it subtly clear that I knew what I was doing, and that we were safe, yet twice there was paternalistic moments of being talked down to. That's a real turn off.

-J.

It is only intimidating if you make it that way where I have shot over the years. Most members will go out of their way to help and guide newbies in fact many me included have taken them alone on separate fields away from everyone if they so desire even with my gun if they want and my ammo just to ensure they have the right tools to do the job and are comfortable before joining in. In fact most members will do the same

We never poke fun at new people that come out to try unless it is very very clear they need a shotgunning lesson and that shows very quickly. Those yep I and other members will kick your ass and some will even say after Christ I always thought I was a good shot but see I have a lot to learn here ( which I think you now agree with) and I am by far not one of the best shooters anymore. The odd one grunts and goes home never to be seen again but that is rare

How about your statement "made it subtly clear that I knew what I was doing" and it was your first time at an actual club. THINK ABOUT THAT

No you honestly may know shotguns inside out but had no clue with respect to how to shoot each station at the club, hold points, club rules etc etc
If you did I ask did you run the 25 or a 50 nope. WHY you knew what you are doing. See what I am getting at
I am shooting close to 50 years and still to this day there are guys when I miss give me their immediate feedback oh you shot behind. ya I know I did but I just laugh and keep going same guy finishes the round 5 birds less than I hit. But every round I am still learning since I have never run 400 straight in 4 gun and never will in fact many days struggle for 25's ,50's and 100's now I but keep trying

As far as dying yes it is in certain areas here for sure it is but not because of new guys not being treated properly. Lets be honest kids today want very little to do with guns and shooting, why I don't know other than maybe the BS to get a PAL the high costs of shooting are factors but until we can fire rounds from a cell phone :( I think you are going to see many clubs just hanging on

IMO Drop the I know what I am doing, ask for feedback and help and let any comments which you dislike run off your back
I close with your I'm not a 95% shooter on a real course, yet :)

You know how many years it took me to get there a lot and a couple 100,000 of shotshells. May be I am a slow learner, for me easy to get 95% but to do it every simgle round is a different story :)

Bottom line is have fun and listen there is a lot to learn regardless how much experience you have and thicken up your hide on the comments some share since even if you are running 100's the comments still come from some

Just my 2 cents which is not worth anything mama keeps telling me :)
Cheers
 
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I expected this.

You're misunderstanding. What I meant was the same "I know what I'm doing" attitude that I had to use to glean respect at notorious local shop when I went to buy ammo. You likely don't understand that since you've been attending the same shop for your 100,000 shell purchases, they know you by first name, and treat you with respect. Send someone that knows nothing about the shop on there and see how they're treated.

There are still good kids out there. Many are useless, you're absolutely right, but we gotta find the good ones, engage them, and hopefully some will stay.

Safety and respect must remain paramount, but commentary about someone's self pride (maybe even a bit of gloating - let them, it's a really fun and satisfying thing to do) for hitting a lot of birds on their first day out needs to go.

I'm not gonna argue with you. All I'll say, is that the dying clubs need new people a lot more than people need the clubs.
 
I expected this.

You're misunderstanding. What I meant was the same "I know what I'm doing" attitude that I had to use to glean respect at notorious local shop when I went to buy ammo. You likely don't understand that since you've been attending the same shop for your 100,000 shell purchases, they know you by first name, and treat you with respect. Send someone that knows nothing about the shop on there and see how they're treated.

There are still good kids out there. Many are useless, you're absolutely right, but we gotta find the good ones, engage them, and hopefully some will stay.

Safety and respect must remain paramount, but commentary about someone's self pride (maybe even a bit of gloating - let them, it's a really fun and satisfying thing to do) for hitting a lot of birds on their first day out needs to go.

I'm not gonna argue with you. All I'll say, is that the dying clubs need new people a lot more than people need the clubs.

I guess I have no clue what you mean by I expected this. I can only read what you post and comment on that which I did. If that is a misunderstanding then clarify what you posted. Pretty hard when we are not face to face

Since you brought it up I attend no shop for my shell purchases and reload with components coming mainly from hummason for as long as I can remember who would not know me if they tripped over me and I am not sure what you are getting at there. They take my money and send my stuff it has nothing to do with respecting me nor do I expect any

I never said there are bad kids out there or useless ones. In fact it is the total opposite I have found over the years. It is the local legend waterfowl hunters we have heard about for years that comes by to show everyone a thing or two and breaks less than 10 that packs his bag never to return. Sorry but those I enjoy kicking some butt since they enter clearly with the know it all attitude

Also I have never known a member that was not over complementry to new shooters or went out of their way to help them here. Many just start with I am here to learn and it grows from there. Believe me it doesn't take members long to figure out where one falls and what degree of assistance is required if they want it

No idea why you think I want to argue with you only trying to help you that is all

But don't think for one minute all clubs want or need new members, in this area yes ,but many have waiting lists in other parts of canada Some I have shot have tons of money in the bank and run by an old boys club which IMO the club could be dying but even the nicest and very best of shooters have a hard time to get accepted

Fortunately they are not the norm at least the ones I have decided to stick with over the years maybe yours is different I don't know but would be shocked if you walked in saying I have shot shotgun , but am new to this game and would appreciate some guidance and help someone or a group didnot take you under thier wing(s)
However I honestly not sure if you really think that way from your posts and the value you may be putting with your past shotgun experiences on a proper club set up is night and day IMO. The level of respect you think you deserve for your past shooting experience out of the gate may take some time unless you are running them every round with the 410.And yes I have seen that with what I thought were new shooters but only new to the club not to the game. They miss one and start asking about the hoop. :)

Cheers
 
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I am a new shooter and a younger shooter being 30 at the club I am a part of. I have to say it is a bit of an old boys club but a real easy to get along with old boys club. Just go in ask questions and listen and soak up every bit of info these guys have to offer. In my opinion these guys have more knowledge and experience that they are willing to pass on then I will probably ever be able to learn. In my experience so far I have had other members offer guns, had people stand behind me while shooting and offer advice and stop the line on a trap field even to offer assistance. I think this is an awesome sport and love the fact that there are so many people with so much knowledge at the club and on this site to help with questions.
 
I agree. Once you've "broken the ice" it's really good....its just that ice breaking that I feel the sport needs to improve a bit.

I certainly did not shoot my 95% with my .410..... About 21/15 with my 12g..... Far from my best day, but practice makes closer to perfect....
 
I am a new shooter and a younger shooter being 30 at the club I am a part of. I have to say it is a bit of an old boys club but a real easy to get along with old boys club. Just go in ask questions and listen and soak up every bit of info these guys have to offer. In my opinion these guys have more knowledge and experience that they are willing to pass on then I will probably ever be able to learn. In my experience so far I have had other members offer guns, had people stand behind me while shooting and offer advice and stop the line on a trap field even to offer assistance. I think this is an awesome sport and love the fact that there are so many people with so much knowledge at the club and on this site to help with questions.

Sadly the average age of a target shotgunner falls somewhere between 55-65. They often have SEVERAL years of shooting experience.

Most shotgunners are more than willing to pass on their knowledge and experience (often whether you want it or not). Beware..... I would suggest that one be very selective with the free advice received. A person's good nature and willingness to help does not ensure sound advice. I don't know how many times I missed a target WAY in front, only to have some helpful soul tell me I was behind it..... Try and select one or two trusted shooters to help you out, and politely disregard all the other unsolicited advice that will undoubtedly come your way.


My 2 cents....
Brad.
 
Sadly the average age of a target shotgunner falls somewhere between 55-65. They often have SEVERAL years of shooting experience.

Most shotgunners are more than willing to pass on their knowledge and experience (often whether you want it or not). Beware..... I would suggest that one be very selective with the free advice received. A person's good nature and willingness to help does not ensure sound advice. I don't know how many times I missed a target WAY in front, only to have some helpful soul tell me I was behind it..... Try and select one or two trusted shooters to help you out, and politely disregard all the other unsolicited advice that will undoubtedly come your way.


My 2 cents....
Brad.


This^^^ when I started out as a teen I sat and watched alot of shooting and shooters. It becomes apparent very quickly who knows what they are doing and who does not. The "do nots" advice I ignored. I appreciated the gesture and and became friends with them as well as the others but it was the ones who knew what they were doing I listened to and watched closely.
 
Sadly the average age of a target shotgunner falls somewhere between 55-65. They often have SEVERAL years of shooting experience.

Most shotgunners are more than willing to pass on their knowledge and experience (often whether you want it or not). Beware..... I would suggest that one be very selective with the free advice received. A person's good nature and willingness to help does not ensure sound advice. I don't know how many times I missed a target WAY in front, only to have some helpful soul tell me I was behind it..... Try and select one or two trusted shooters to help you out, and politely disregard all the other unsolicited advice that will undoubtedly come your way.


My 2 cents....
Brad.

Isn't this the truth unfortunately. I have seen me waiting for another squad just so I don't have one of those magpies in my ear after every shot . Behind. You stopped your swing again .Oh well one has to put in the time and get to know the boys and then determine who they should accept advice from it is like that in every competitive sport one decides to get involved in
Cheers
 
I agree. Once you've "broken the ice" it's really good....its just that ice breaking that I feel the sport needs to improve a bit.

I certainly did not shoot my 95% with my .410..... About 21/15 with my 12g..... Far from my best day, but practice makes closer to perfect....

Your first problem IMO is you have to stop counting targets and stop caring about how many you miss, or what your final score was or what other think of your shooting. I am not even there and I can see your anxiety in your posts

Your mind should be clear and 100% focused on that one next target nothing else
You need a clear picture in your mind of the step by step process that’s needed to break the target. You can develop your own style as you become a more accomplished shooter but at the beginning you need to have a thorough grounding in the basics of this style of shooting to be able to progress and that is where a good mentoror comes in plus reading, videos etc etc

It is just practise and think of it as that. There is no prize here and who gives a F'k what others think of your shooting since honestly they don't really care
Forget what experience you think you brought to the table and how good of a shooter you think you are since we all thought that but after the first round it was very clear to me man I suck and need some help here and i think you are feeling the same right about now

Also the talked down you refer to is always going to be there from some since this is a competitive sport so best just to smile and keep shooting since don't think for a minute these dudes will change or is it really talked down or a function of your embarrassment and sensitivity

Have fun which is what it is all about, smile at the magpies in your ear and focus on one target at a time and before you know it your hat will be shot to shreads. A moment you will never forget and some have never experienced it but still keep coming and enjoy the sport regardless
Cheers

How would you like to do a round of two. Yes I shot right handed for over 25 years and got to the stage I never dropped a round under 23/25 then due to right eye issues my shooting days were over unless I switched to left handed which the boys said I would never do well after all these years. I will never forget those days when 5 was a good score . You think I didnot get laughed at and hit with rude comments. I personally think it is worse when you are on the top of the game and fall off vs a newbie starting
But after 4 years and probaly 50,000 shells it was like I always shot left and my scores if anything improved
One target at a time I would say to my self before every PULL and block everything else out, start thinking and start missing I say. It works. For me I know when I am in that zone since the target looks as big as a garbage can lid and spinning in slow motion, even see my shot string many times
HAVE FUN is the key
 
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When I shoot, I could care less about what anyone else says or does. I often shoot multiple guns and I do realize that doing so will often have some effect on my scores. I don't have a 410 target gun, so I just use my 410 barrels on my 625 Feather. I have never shot 50 straight with that gun let alone 100, but that doesn't make me enjoy shooting the 410 any less. I shoot for the fun of it, and it really doesn't matter if I only shoot low to mid 90s with my 410.
 
When I shoot, I could care less about what anyone else says or does. I often shoot multiple guns and I do realize that doing so will often have some effect on my scores. I don't have a 410 target gun, so I just use my 410 barrels on my 625 Feather. I have never shot 50 straight with that gun let alone 100, but that doesn't make me enjoy shooting the 410 any less. I shoot for the fun of it, and it really doesn't matter if I only shoot low to mid 90s with my 410.

Agree 100%. For me the fun came out of it when one turns into a robot and loses sleep because they miss a dam target been there years ago and never want that again
Now she is all about fun. Yes sir I am very serious must be why I paid almost 400 bucks for a vintage full choke barrel state side so I can shoot trap with a 28ga wingmaster :) If I ever ran the 25 with that I would buy loto tickets immediately :)
Cheers
 
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