The problem is classifing this new rifle would likely be deamed a variant of the prohibted by name AR180. This would also likely trigger a reclassification of the AR180B. I would find it very difficult for the firearms techs not to claim the AR180B as a variant of the AR180, it very clearly is. How it somehow got classed non-restricted in the first place is a mystery. It's compatible with many unmodified parts of the AR180.
looking to buy an AR 180b
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It's shelved for the reasons mentioned in the above post. They saw more merit in pursuing the non-restricted AR10 route.
If it is built off of a currently NR 180B then it would be a child entry to the one that exists. (like my NR Bushmaster ACR)
If they submitted an entirely new rifle and claimed it was a 180b then they would be looking at the possibility you outlined earlier.
Due to the recent issues with reclassifying guns, it wasn't worth the risk. They were specifically warned it could lead to a prohibted classification as an AR180 variant, which makes sense to me. What do I know though, I only designed the thing,
Yes you can, you can do whatever you want with the appropriate licenses, BUT
If you build off of an original one it would get a child FRT entry, If you build an entirely new rifle and claim it is a copy of an existing NR you are going to be required to submit it to the RCMP for the complete FRT process and they will make that determination themselves, Not to mention the original makers of the AR180b may not be to happy with you copying their design and marketing it as such.
I've built them myself, I then sold the design to NEA because I don't have the time or the interest anymore.
I'm going to try to explain this one more time. The RCMP will likely claim it is actually an AR180 variant, and then in turn likely reclassify the AR180B an AR180 variant. This risk does not warrant spending the money to develop the firearm further. It's simple economics.
Do I need to draw you a picture?
https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/1w8rcy/some_helpful_info_regarding_homemademachined/
Since it was one, made for "personal use" I don't think they looked any further into it. Just my theory.
Interesting article that looks at the design features like the guiderods, etc.
As well, the comments section at the end discusses the cracking polymer lower issue.
http://carteach0.########.ca/2008/09/armalite-ar180b-piston-powered-from.html
As well, the comments section at the end discusses the cracking polymer lower issue.
http://carteach0.########.ca/2008/09/armalite-ar180b-piston-powered-from.html
So NEA should be able to turn these out and sell them as replacement parts only to 180b owners if I am to understand what was written there correctly.
Only producing new rifles with said parts would require a new FRT.
The lower is the firearm. New lower by different manufacturer = New gun and new FRT #
How things are constructed doesn't change how they are classed.
not according to the guy who designed it and has the prototype on his own personal 180b. you must have missed the link posted where this was gone over in detail
Considering how many people seem to think that $1500 is too much money for an AR-180B why are we even talking about having a company make a steel or aluminum lower? If you don't like the $1400-$1800 price they sell for used how many of you would actually pony up another $400-$600 for a new lower? That's exactly why no manufacturers have gone ahead and made one for us here in Canada. And with all the negative comments about NEA in other threads do you think they want to risk making something just to have people say they wouldn't pay over $100 for something made by NEA?
I don't want to risk having the RCMP revisit the classification of the rifle just to fix a problem that isn't there. Armalite had one batch of AR180B rifles with bad polymer and those rifles were replaced by Armalite under warranty. The rest are fine and as long as you don't abuse the rifle you should never have problems with the lower cracking. It's no different than an AR in that regard, there is very little stress on the lower during firing and the damage is done when people release the latch between the upper and lower and allow the upper to swing open and slam against the lower or practice their operator rolls in the living room and land on the rifle. Even an AR will break if you do that a few times so just enjoy your rifle if you have one and sleep easy knowing that if you do break it you can order the Stormwerkz repair kit http://stormwerkz.com/accessories/armalite-ar-180b-pivot-repair-section/
This is just another case of the internet making a problem to fix that was never there to begin with. One or two problem rifles is no different than any other brand or type of rifle. They can't all be perfect.
I love my AR180B-2, it's light, reliable and plenty accurate for field use. Sure there are better rifles out there but you'll have to spend another $500-$1500 to get one. Hack it up to install a stock adapter and an AR stock and put on the MI quadrail and in my opinion you've ruined a perfectly good rifle and reduced it's value by half.
I don't want to risk having the RCMP revisit the classification of the rifle just to fix a problem that isn't there. Armalite had one batch of AR180B rifles with bad polymer and those rifles were replaced by Armalite under warranty. The rest are fine and as long as you don't abuse the rifle you should never have problems with the lower cracking. It's no different than an AR in that regard, there is very little stress on the lower during firing and the damage is done when people release the latch between the upper and lower and allow the upper to swing open and slam against the lower or practice their operator rolls in the living room and land on the rifle. Even an AR will break if you do that a few times so just enjoy your rifle if you have one and sleep easy knowing that if you do break it you can order the Stormwerkz repair kit http://stormwerkz.com/accessories/armalite-ar-180b-pivot-repair-section/
This is just another case of the internet making a problem to fix that was never there to begin with. One or two problem rifles is no different than any other brand or type of rifle. They can't all be perfect.
I love my AR180B-2, it's light, reliable and plenty accurate for field use. Sure there are better rifles out there but you'll have to spend another $500-$1500 to get one. Hack it up to install a stock adapter and an AR stock and put on the MI quadrail and in my opinion you've ruined a perfectly good rifle and reduced it's value by half.
