Nightforce vs Schmidt and Bender vs Vortex vs US Optics

marcoman said:
You should post this in Mystics dealer forum. See how long it lasts before being removed.

Feel sorry for the guys who bought SVSS's based on Jerry's assesment that they are comparable to S&B, TT etc.
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bsand said:
I'll just leave this here, notice reply from DeltaHotel, aka dave from vortex.

http://www.scout.com/military/snipe...14642029-negative-review-of-vortex-razor-gen2
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I'm pretty sure Jerry tested the TT off the rifle and didn't see any aberrations like he did with the Vortex. And looking through a scope with your cheek welded on the comb would certainly keep your eye fixed in one spot more so than doing it in free space. Not sure what the Vortex guy was trying to say, but I'm trying to make sense of it.
 
bsand said:
I'll just leave this here, notice reply from DeltaHotel, aka dave from vortex.

http://www.scout.com/military/snipe...14642029-negative-review-of-vortex-razor-gen2
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Appreciate the link... had a nice chuckle at the comments by dave from Vortex. so he thinks that as you dial a scope, you have to or will "naturally" change your position to properly view through the lenses.

I mean actually think about this comment the next time you are out shooting and have your cheek on the rifle comb. I know a few on this forum actually shoot LR so give it a test next time you are out... do you move your head around when you are changing distances?

Do you look through the eyepiece differently?

I KNOW the BORELINE will be moved as you view through the scope and realign with the target... kind of the whole point but I have yet to see any rifle where the comb is on a swivel to let you "adjust" for this. And I am looking at rifles that compete on a National and International basis.... and at the local range.

The internet is a wonderous thing..... look and you can find any opinion that agrees with your sense of the world. And you can discount any other with a few key strokes.

Just got back from working my Sightron SVSS scopes out to 1000yds in some brutal winds. Funny thing about these piece of crap scopes, I dial up my comeups from short range and they put the bullet on center at LR all the way out to 1000yds....I crank the windage on and off to try and keep up with the switches and if I "guess" right, I get an X or 10

But then there are some on the internet that base their opinions on actual real world experience.

I will leave it at that.....

Jerry
 
propliner said:
I'm pretty sure Jerry tested the TT off the rifle and didn't see any aberrations like he did with the Vortex. And looking through a scope with your cheek welded on the comb would certainly keep your eye fixed in one spot more so than doing it in free space. Not sure what the Vortex guy was trying to say, but I'm trying to make sense of it.
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Both scopes were tested off the rifle.... I do this cause "it gives me the most freedom to move my head around for the best view".... :)

you are going to have to think real hard to try and make any sense of it.

But maybe some of the other experts in this post can chime in and clarify how this all works.

Jerry
 
Just find it hard to try to evaluate a scope off the rifle but myself i will do it the old shool way...

Same rifle, optimal eye relief of each scope, same cheek rest, same lighting , same target, at the same distance...

Then after that even if i am only a passionated amator, i am pretty sure my assesment of the scopes will be close to exact and the differences will show fairly easy... JP.
 
Mystic Precision said:
The internet is a wonderous thing..... look and you can find any opinion that agrees with your sense of the world. And you can discount any other with a few key strokes.
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You got that right. I'm not so sure it's appropriate to have your "reviews" in your sig line. There are other dealers selling those scopes and we all know the saying about opinions. That would include yours.
 
I hand it to Jerry for trying, and giving his honest opinion even if he knew the sh!tstorm that was coming his way....

No one is teeing off on the rifletalk guy for how he rates things....

The answer from vortex doesn't make a lot of sense to me either, but I'm no optics guru.
 
Gunneegoogoo said:
I hand it to Jerry for trying, and giving his honest opinion even if he knew the sh!tstorm that was coming his way....

No one is teeing off on the rifletalk guy for how he rates things....

The answer from vortex doesn't make a lot of sense to me either, but I'm no optics guru.
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Oh, I have had my nomex underwear on since I posted that. QC is QC... somedays, things just don't go as planned. I have little doubt that Vortex is all over my review and that poor QC person. But if it moves the quality up a notch, then this is positive for Vortex users.

To say that a man made product will never have a problem or that none could ever exist is just plain silly. They still fix Ferrari's don't they????

I just love the shock and horror some will put up when attacking their "sacred cow" and then some of the feedback from industry "experts".

At some point, I hope that shooters get educated about how optics work (or any other part of their precision rifle platform) and what works for them so they can read some of these posts and go umm, I agree or don't... as experienced and informed end users... My posts most definitely included.

Call BS if I am way off base.... but those who know me or have shot with me, know I have little time to white wash stuff, and as importantly, have an opinion after actually trying the stuff (something others should consider... just saying).

Been critical of products and manfs I offer or no longer offer and have done so from the start of my shooting career. This seems to help move the positives along and gives the less experience pause to ask "is this really for me?"

All good stuff...

Jerry
 
I read it.

Dave's pretty defensive.

He has an opinion, and that's fine.

Jerry has an opinion, and that's fine too.

Telling everyone that Jerry's opinion is "just chaff" isn't terribly objective or professional.

I like vortex stuff, a lot, but this is odd.
 
Mystic Precision said:
Oh, I have had my nomex underwear on since I posted that. QC is QC... somedays, things just don't go as planned. I have little doubt that Vortex is all over my review and that poor QC person. But if it moves the quality up a notch, then this is positive for Vortex users.

To say that a man made product will never have a problem or that none could ever exist is just plain silly. They still fix Ferrari's don't they????

I just love the shock and horror some will put up when attacking their "sacred cow" and then some of the feedback from industry "experts".

At some point, I hope that shooters get educated about how optics work (or any other part of their precision rifle platform) and what works for them so they can read some of these posts and go umm, I agree or don't... as experienced and informed end users... My posts most definitely included.

Call BS if I am way off base.... but those who know me or have shot with me, know I have little time to white wash stuff, and as importantly, have an opinion after actually trying the stuff (something others should consider... just saying).

Been critical of products and manfs I offer or no longer offer and have done so from the start of my shooting career. This seems to help move the positives along and gives the less experience pause to ask "is this really for me?"

All good stuff...

Jerry
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Lol,

You give yourself and you reviews far too much credit if you think anyone but the grossly inexperienced or un-informed put any weight in them.
"That poor QC person"? What are you implying with that? You think that sone guy at Vortex is getting his @ss chewed over your negative review? Haha? Really? What was it again? The lenses werent ground properly. Even if there was an issue how do you arrive at the lenses werent ground properly??!

This is Epic! Please keep the "wonky" product reviews coming.
 
Rough crowd in here. I don't always agree with reviews but appreciate them none the less. It just gives another perspective and something to keep in mind.
 
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