Interesting. Did said "guy" contact their section coordinator to see if there was a problem with registration? If not, I would suggest said "guy" does.
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Interesting. Did said "guy" contact their section coordinator to see if there was a problem with registration? If not, I would suggest said "guy" does.
Allowing people to shoot the prematch and pay extra was done at the Nationals in BC in 2014. It was not done to add extra slots to the match, but to allow people the option to shoot in one or two days (prematch was 2 days, so shooters had the option of doing the whole thing in one day or taking their time to do 2 days) and not have the 1 day work requirement. This allowed some people with work conflicts to still participate in the Nationals. I am sure that the prematch was not added specifically to add revenue, but to give people an option.
I don't know if you have ever been involved in running a level III match, but all debugging needs to be done before the prematch even starts. If there is debugging required during the prematch, you can bet that there are range lawyers somewhere that will have the stage tossed out just because they feel like showing off to everyone how much more they know about the rules and fairness.
As for the prematch being free for the match staff, I think you are also mistaken. I worked the match as an RO at the 2015 Nationals, and I paid a match fee just like every other competitor. I was compensated after the match was over. I accepted that the payment of a match fee was required to make sure that I showed up and fulfilled the work commitment that I had promised. There is a big difference between "free" and being compensated appropriately for the level of work provided.
I understand that you are upset about not getting into the match, but maybe it's not too late to work the match as an official and shoot the prematch. Having done it before, I would not hesitate to do it again. You really do get a chance to shoot with some new faces and meet new people. You get to see ALL of the competitors as they come through your stage. For me, that's really what competition shooting is really about these days.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
To answer some of your questions, yes I have been part of some lvl 3 matches. I did Help out and RO the nationals in Kingston a few years ago. And I did have a great time doing it. I also remember shooting the match "free of charge" in return for my working the match. I also helped out with the Ontario Provincials a few times, and have MD'd a number of lvl 2 matches in Ontario as well.
I shot a match today, and was in conversation with 4 or maybe 5 people that I would consider my friends....great people really. And guess what, they are scared to pipe in on this thread for fear of being blacklisted like me. They all have the concerns, but don't want to rock the boat, so to speak. I am OK with that....I have big shoulders...I will carry them.
And there is also the matter of the match director explaining to me how I didn't make it into the match, (and also not letting me know where I am on the wait list after repeated questions to that question) and a friend of mine that registered 1 1/2 hours after me made it into the match....
That's greasy.
Let's just keep it simple and have 16 slots held for each province ( Classic,Standard,Production, and Open) X the number of active Provinces. Then we could shoot more stages and have less of a hassle. This would push the selection process back to the sections and their selection process to send the best to the Nationals.
So each province and competitors would know long before an email has to be sent who is going and who isn't. This in my mind will force the shooters that want to be competitors to train harder and compete more to earn slots.
Yes 7.62mm I am sure he singled you out completely?? Just because you are paranoid that doesn't mean the world isn't out to get you.
All I can say is people are human and do this as a volunteer, while running a business and taking part in life. So if someone doesn't get back to you at the speed of your expectation, take a look at how you are treating them and factor that into the equation?
Then they better start, dig deep usually there is a reason why this is the case.
Everybody knows a guy!! Hearsay and inflammatory to the discussion!! Change your name to gasoline please!
It's not hard to figure out why. Many provinces base their team selection on matches including their Provincials. Sometimes, the best shooters are unable to attend their provincials and as a result, do not acquire enough ranking points to be included on their team. Other times, since Nationals occurs before Provincials (for some Sections), top shooters take a break after Nationals or switch divisions for fun.
If you want the details about why specific shooters don't shoot for their own provincial team, just ask. Usually the answer is quite simple and doesn't hide some deep, sinister secrets.
This sounds like you're trolling a bit, but the idea of slots is something I talked about with my SC starting early last year. I had suggested a weighted slot system based on membership numbers:
| Members | Weight |
| 0-50 | 1 |
| 51-100 | 2 |
| 101-200 | 3 |
| 201-400 | 4 |
| 401-800 | 5 |
| 801-1600 | 6 |
| 1601-3200 | 7 |
For example, if the match decides to run with 300 competitors, and there end up being 28 shares for all provinces, then each share is worth 10.7 slots (300/28), and province with 6 shares would get 64 slots (6*10.7).
When registration opens, each province submits the names for their slots and then returns any unused slots to the match director before a certain date; unused slots are to be used as the MD/hosting section sees fit. If there is a need to encourage more Sections to host Nationals, you could even build in an additional modification into the formula (hosting section gets to add 1 or 2 to their weighting, for example).
I wanted to run some examples with real numbers, but it's hard to find the exact membership numbers for each section. I've been told that the numbers posted in Dilligentia are not accurate.
Thanks but not shooting a provincials again is a choice you make as a competitor, if your provincials are after the Nats then I would guess that you would have shot one the year before. Run the scoring from Provincial to Provincial. Nothing was inferred as sinister, just that it is a choice of the Competitor.
My point is the responsibility to earn a slot is that of the competitor and the provincial body that governs them! If you don't like how the Teams are picked change it, or if you can't and you want to make a team and a slot do what is necessary.
As far as Trolling
P-L-E-A-S-E, I used the slots as an example to cover off the divisions ( sorry to the Revolver guy ) if they don't fill they go back into the pot to be allocated to the wait list compiled be the apps coming in. I too am a numbers guy and agree with your math. However I still stand by the 144-150 person Nats with the best shooting against the best and more stages.The nationals are like our smaller version of the Worlds, part of the point is that it isn't exclusive to just the best shooters in the country it's also about being able to shoot with the best shooters. Reducing it to only the best would quickly kill it off.
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Then look at these numbers... More stages means more officials needed and more expense for the hosting club. Fewer registrants means fewer entry fees and less revenue for the hosting club. Running an elite, exclusive 150 competitor match would not be economically feasible unless the match fee was increased considerably.
Then we either go big or stay home! You can't have it both ways. Last year due to range restrictions we had to lower the shooter count, this year they didn't expect it to sell out in Halifax. What do you think will happen in 2017? Large matches are big business, so if we are travelling to shoot them on Tuesday to the following Monday why not just make them Monday to Friday with the weekends before and after for travel/sightsee or whatever. This will open the people count and allow you some flexibility to be creative. Or back to my first point ( shrink the business ) 144 competitors at the Nats, with whatever round count that will be doable(may not be a word). You have 4 divisions you can split the RO and Range work between the 4, open and classic shoot while production and limited work. Rinse and repeat. So your more stages = more officials doesn't make sense seeing due to the mix breakdown on stages will only play out to 8-10 ranges which is what 20% more RO's.
These are just my opinions and you may not agree and that's okay, we are allowed to agree to disagree. All I am saying is if we do nothing we will feed the insanity dog because 2017 is coming and it will fill again. So if we leave it the same competitors will have to make the personal commitment now to do what is necessary to earn a team slot or take their chances with the registration process.
Then rinse and repeat and whine again all over.
I can't remember the last time I went to a Nats and got to shoot with people other than the team and a few fill in guys? I never get to shoot with other top level shooters because the teams are all shooting at the same time ???
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