help me to put a value on this winchester 94

James1873 said:
if its original finish and bluing id expect $800, sure theres a lot of pre64 94's out there, but how many are 9/10 original condition? considering a new 94 is $1500, i think many would opt to pay 800$ for a like new pre-64. maybe more to the right person
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I agree! I can't understand why an old rifle, in like new condition, of a type that collectors want, is only worth half of what a new one costs.

The situation should, IMHO, be like an original Garand being worth more than a James River Armoury example.:confused:
 
I concur. If listed at $600.00 it would be gone in a heart beat. Sure, there are 50% of the gun buying population that might not pay over $600.00, but there are 50% that would. Originality and condition is everything.
I have a model 94 that I bought new in 1970. It's had no more than a box of ammo through it. While it is post 64, I've had a couple of offers at $500.00 but it's not for sale. A pre 64 in 95% condition is worth a fair bit more than it.
 
Robert Nicholson said:
I agree! I can't understand why an old rifle, in like new condition, of a type that collectors want, is only worth half of what a new one costs.

The situation should, IMHO, be like an original Garand being worth more than a James River Armoury example.:confused:
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You can concur all you want, but actually selling prices of Pre-64 .30/30's are based on supply and demand... and the prices generally range from $300 for a beater to $700 for a "close to new" carbine... there is always the off chance that you might find someone to overpay, but then the mean average prices will auto-correct. Rifles will sell at plus $200 in same condition, .44 Mag's at plus $100, .38/55's at plus $200 & .44/40 at plus $150 etc... etc...
 
hoytcanon said:
You can concur all you want, but actually selling prices of Pre-64 .30/30's are based on supply and demand... and the prices generally range from $300 for a beater to $700 for a "close to new" carbine... there is always the off chance that you might find someone to overpay, but then the mean average prices will auto-correct. Rifles will sell at plus $200 in same condition, .44 Mag's at plus $100, .38/55's at plus $200 & .44/40 at plus $150 etc... etc...
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You are right about supply and demand and pre 64 carbines in minty condition are getting scarce out there. If I owned it I wouldn't sell it for $600 and it would sell in minutes at that price. Mentioning 94's in .44 magnum and .44/40 is apples and oranges as those are post 64 production and not nearly as desirable no matter what calibre they are chambered in. A friend of mine got $1500 ten years ago for a 1953 94 carbine new in the box with hang tags still attached.
 
Mike Webb said:
You are right about supply and demand and pre 64 carbines in minty condition are getting scarce out there. If I owned it I wouldn't sell it for $600 and it would sell in minutes at that price. Mentioning 94's in .44 magnum and .44/40 is apples and oranges as those are post 64 production and not nearly as desirable no matter what calibre they are chambered in. A friend of mine got $1500 ten years ago for a 1953 94 carbine new in the box with hang tags still attached.
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Those calibers in Post-64 sell higher than Pre-64 carbines...

And speaking of apples and oranges... a used Pre-64 does not compare to an NIB Pre-64 which has Maximum collector value.

I have bought three minty (AS nice as the OP's) Pre-64 carbines in the past year or so, and the most I paid was $650, but that was only to get the original limited production leather Win 94 case... the other two were $450 & $550.
 
hoytcanon said:
Those calibers in Post-64 sell higher than Pre-64 carbines...

And speaking of apples and oranges... a used Pre-64 does not compare to an NIB Pre-64 which has Maximum collector value.

I have bought three minty (AS nice as the OP's) Pre-64 carbines in the past year or so, and the most I paid was $650, but that was only to get the original limited production leather Win 94 case... the other two were $450 & $550.
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The way 94 prices have been increasing (even in the past year or so) and given the increased rarity of minty pre-64s, as the interest in these guns continues I think it won't be long before we'll see a $1000 price tag on pre minty 95%+. There will always be a private bargain somewhere, particularly if the widow or executor is selling off the collection but on the open market I see $1000 within a couple of years.
 
hoytcanon said:
Those calibers in Post-64 sell higher than Pre-64 carbines...

And speaking of apples and oranges... a used Pre-64 does not compare to an NIB Pre-64 which has Maximum collector value.

I have bought three minty (AS nice as the OP's) Pre-64 carbines in the past year or so, and the most I paid was $650, but that was only to get the original limited production leather Win 94 case... the other two were $450 & $550.
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But how much did you sell them for?
 
Yes, people will sell a really minty 94 for less than it should be worth, and others will sell a gray 94 for more than it is worth. What I can't understand is
why the really minty 94's are not being valued like other really minty rifles that do go for big bucks. It can't all be about supply and demand because
there is lots of demand but not much supply, right now.:confused:
 
ronecol said:
The way 94 prices have been increasing (even in the past year or so) and given the increased rarity of minty pre-64s, as the interest in these guns continues I think it won't be long before we'll see a $1000 price tag on pre minty 95%+.
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In that case, I have three minty 95% carbines for sale... $1000 each... plus shipping... of course.
 
hoytcanon said:
Really? Put up a WTB ad for a "nice" Pre-94 Carbine... you won't wait long... my last one was a couple hours for three offers.
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I can understand that a few truly "nice" pre-64, model 94's come on the EE but most are not nice at all, they are just called nice and priced at $650.

I wonder if all the really "nice" Winchesters are being kept in gun cabinets until prices actually match the value placed on these rifles by their owners?:confused:
 
I have to go with Hoyt on this one..... They are nice rifles that have a tradition..... They are also just a run of the mill 30-30 with average wood and limited game use.....

The reason they sell so high is because there is a romance around them.... Much like the lee enfield..... And guys are willing to pay big bucks to buy into that history for some reason......

You will always get the "nut" that needs to impress everybody by owning a mint example of history..... That will pay more than the average Joe...... I own one myself.... It is well worn,not usted with a nice bore and decent hunted wood.... But I own it because I like it and it truly was a rifle that was the standard back in the day..... I didn't want one that was perfect... I wanted one that was used so that I could look at it and imagine what it went through and what was gain with it and what bull#### stories it was present go hear at hunt camps.....
 
I am starting to wonder if a few on this thread have a cabinet full of 94 carbines that they are trying to create a market for...
 
hoytcanon said:
Really? Put up a WTB ad for a "nice" Pre-94 Carbine... you won't wait long... my last one was a couple hours for three offers.
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I had hoped this would be the case but my recent WTB ad for exactly that item has only got me offers for rifles with some kind of damage or ones that are average and somewhat overpriced (with all respect to those who responded.)

Perhaps you would consider selling me one of your gems for my bday present this year? (That's what I made the ad for)

Sounds like the ones you bought have good homes, but food for thought if you find others.
 
Superbrad said:
You will always get the "nut" that needs to impress everybody by owning a mint example of history..... That will pay more than the average Joe..........
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And that is the way it is with everything. And ,in this particular case, especially since it says Winchester and is pre 64, that is why you will get someone paying more than $600.00 for a high condition original 94. Maybe not $1000.00 at this time but more than $600.00. It only takes one buyer and I'm sure there is more than one fanatic out there who would pay that. I know if I was selling it I could care less if the first 15 interested parties didn't buy it. The 16th. will. Maybe that doesn't set the true market value but who cares if you have one gun to sell and there is a buyer out there for it.
 
NewGuard84 said:
I had hoped this would be the case but my recent WTB ad for exactly that item has only got me offers for rifles with some kind of damage or ones that are average and somewhat overpriced (with all respect to those who responded.)

Perhaps you would consider selling me one of your gems for my bday present this year? (That's what I made the ad for)

Sounds like the ones you bought have good homes, but food for thought if you find others.
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They were listed in one of the posts above... ;)
 
Out of curiosity I took a look on Gunbroker. Several minty pre-64 94s listed for over $1000 and as high as $1400. Also some in the $500 to $600 but of lesser condition. And that's U.S. $$
 
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