Wolves: Kill 'Em All

We are all creatures of nature.
Life due to us is out of balance .
So hunt them , enjoy it.
But in the end try to make some sort of effort to heal what we have done to the planet .
Pro gun , pro hunter , pro plant , pro wolf , pro ELk ..... .. . . .
Bees sting people , Wolves will eat ya. Chit happens
 
I saw the photos of this and none of them were killed by wolves. There is another story by the antis saying it was humans that shot and left them but there was no evidence of that. Disease is my guess but it would be nice to here the true story from a biologist.
 
I can recall my Grandfather tellling a similar story of finding 11 dead deer on the ice on Fredrickhouse Lake one morning when he was the dam tender there back in the late 40's. Same thing. None were fed upon and he said the wolves never returned to feed on them. Just Ravens and foxes fed on them all winter.
 
When it comes to wolves, I live by the motto "kill all you see"......

They are elusive creatures, and I have hunted them extensively.......
For every one you see and get a shot at, there are 5 hidden..... And taking out an alpha is hard work, and rarely done......
 
The picture is on Yahoo news....looks like the game wardens dragged them out into a line to get a picture.

None of them look very torn up. None appear to have been eaten very much if at all
Hard to imagine they are all wolf kills. More to this story than is being told in my opinion.

For sure the ranchers there are looking for ANY reason at all to kill ALL the wolves.
 
Preditors ( including human ones) are an essential part of an ecosystem.Remove preditors ( including human ) and take a look at the gulf islands that have no predators and no hunting ...the deer are small and inbred,they are eating themselves out of their own food supply

Too many preditors also eat themselves out of their own food supply.
 
shredder0 said:
I for one do not like the title of this thread. Predator control is our duty but to "Kill 'em All" is how we got to the place in the late 1800s where the fathers of conservation began to act to save what was left of our wildlife. Wolves are necessary. Too many is not good, none is much worse.
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Agreed, the title of the thread and the sentiment behind it comes from the same blind ignorance (stupidity, really) that is thrown at hunters by the antis (PETA, etc). Worse, ascribing human attributes to wolves - i.e. saying that they kill for "fun" - is the same caliber of ignorance.

Surplus killing is a known phenomenon among predators, and it has nothing to do with wolves trying to have a good time with their family and friends. :rolleyes:

If you're a hunter, take the time to educate yourselves about such things instead of tossing around nonsense that makes hunters look like Neanderthals in the eyes of the non-hunting world. We've enough obstacles already.
 
Bigbubba said:
The picture is on Yahoo news....looks like the game wardens dragged them out into a line to get a picture.

None of them look very torn up. None appear to have been eaten very much if at all
Hard to imagine they are all wolf kills. More to this story than is being told in my opinion.

For sure the ranchers there are looking for ANY reason at all to kill ALL the wolves.
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Actually pretty easy for biologists to identify what predator killed an animal, they all have their unique methods.

Grizz
 
"Kill all the wolves," is just a figure of speech.
The greatest wolf thinning program, probably ever carried out anywhere in the world, was in British Columbia, during the 1950s.
Many hundreds of tons of poisoned meat was dropped onto lakes in BC, over a period of at least six years.
Some who were opposed to the wolf program claimed the government was planning on exterminating the wolves, but the head biologist in charge of the program would state that it would be impossible to kill all the wolves.
Thus, if every person who can shoot a gun worked 12 months a year to kill wolves, it is unlikely they could make a noticeable dent in the wolf population.
 
H4831 said:
"Kill all the wolves," is just a figure of speech.
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Its a poor one.

The greatest wolf thinning program, probably ever carried out anywhere in the world, was in British Columbia, during the 1950s. Many hundreds of tons of poisoned meat was dropped onto lakes in BC, over a period of at least six years. Some who were opposed to the wolf program claimed the government was planning on exterminating the wolves, but the head biologist in charge of the program would state that it would be impossible to kill all the wolves. Thus, if every person who can shoot a gun worked 12 months a year to kill wolves, it is unlikely they could make a noticeable dent in the wolf population.
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Traditional hunting is usually a very poor way to produce visible results in predator control. (That is not to say that predator hunting is not an important component of wildlife management). Large scale predator control efforts (where they are necessary) typically must be intensive and repeated on a regular basis to have longer term tangible effects. There are numerous examples of this. Alaska is a prime (and often contentious) example.

On the subject, I'd recommend reading Wolves, Bears, and Their Prey in Alaska: Biological and Social Challenges in Wildlife Management (National Research Council, 1997).
 
ratherbefishin said:
Kinda knocks a hole in the simplistic theory that preditors 'only kill to eat'....anybody who has their whole flock of chickens killed by mink know some preditors kill just for the fun of it and wolves aren't probably much diferent
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People have been studying wolves for decades and this is a VERY unusual happening. Mostly they, like all predators, don't use more energy to hunt than they absolutely need to. Considering that in general only 1 hunt in 5 is successful, there must have been something unusual about the elk to trigger this.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Actually pretty easy for biologists to identify what predator killed an animal, they all have their unique methods.

Grizz
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No offence Mr. Grizz. I agree with you 100%. The biologist would be able to tell. And so would other guys like you and me if we came across the carcasses. (I'd be able to tell if it was shot or killed by an animal, that's about all)

What I don't understand is why go to the trouble to drag them all together to take pictures? What's next? Are they going to drag them away to dispose of them? Why not just leave nature alone?

The wolves will come back to eat, the birds will get the scraps, along with the other 4 legged scavengers. It will all get cleaned up in fairly short order.

Only reason I can see to drag the carcasses away would be to cover up something else. Otherwise its a waste of time and trouble.
 
I think the thing missing in a lot of these theories is where ever humans are there is no such thing as a 'natural ' ecosystem.
 
I have seen the results of a wolf, one of four, that killed an otter on the ice of a lake and just left it. One bite in the head.
 
Bigbubba said:
What I don't understand is why go to the trouble to drag them all together to take pictures? What's next? Are they going to drag them away to dispose of them? Why not just leave nature alone?

The wolves will come back to eat, the birds will get the scraps, along with the other 4 legged scavengers. It will all get cleaned up in fairly short order.

Only reason I can see to drag the carcasses away would be to cover up something else. Otherwise its a waste of time and trouble.
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I'm guessing they removed the carcasses to prevent the wolves from acquiring a taste and attracting even more to the area. It's the same reason farmers and game wardens don't like people who bait wolves with dead cattle.
 
Ok smart guys...so you killed all the wolves...and coyotes.
Fast forward to - let's say 5 years.
No moose, elk, or caribou increases...now what?
Any resource geniuses want to come up with the next big idea?
 
H4831 said:
"Kill all the wolves," is just a figure of speech.

Thus, if every person who can shoot a gun worked 12 months a year to kill wolves, it is unlikely they could make a noticeable dent in the wolf population.
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And the settlers thought the same in the 1860 and 70 but by the late 1880's not too many Buffalo left on the plains, hunted to the edge of extinction, for largely sport.
 
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