Its less productive than the Fraser, so its worth getting rid of? Food security is a big deal. Relying on California for a lot of our produce is already getting expensive, what will happen if the drought continues? Besides, climate change means its only getting more productive up there.
Wolf trapping..
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Its less productive than the Fraser, so its worth getting rid of? Food security is a big deal. Relying on California for a lot of our produce is already getting expensive, what will happen if the drought continues? Besides, climate change means its only getting more productive up there.
Ardent
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This has become a downer, all too serious. Suther, do yourself a favour and get out of physical geography (especially if arts) and get into proper sciences or engineering. Don't ask how I know there are no jobs for a physical geography major, though you do learn a good deal that's useful in polite debates at parties that happen only in our imagination. Minor in political science to really be able to kill a conversation.
Can we get back to baiting umchorn for more spectacular claims? I was really starting to enjoy that.
Can we get back to baiting umchorn for more spectacular claims? I was really starting to enjoy that.
CreamySmooth
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What a load. I'm sorry, but park the white sunglasses when you leave the city.
Buddy of mine gets 30-40 a year up Carrot River country. His daughter adds a few more. I have had so many on my camera last few years it's more than deer... I do like how you insist on proper accurate numbers then make a wildly uneducated inaccurate guess. The things are varmint. They've been killing everything so bad the last few years it was rediculous. Wolves everywhere. And bloody big. 140 and up. Until these last mild winters came along the deer were non existent in the area. The wolves ran everything down in the snow because hooves sink in snow. Even now the deer are just starting to see larger racks. Everything's been so young.
No disrespect but Jesus.... Shoot em when you see em.
I'm delighted to see wolf trapping so successful,just wish there were more trappers to keep the numbers in check( and maybe disperse the packs instead of having them take everything in the watershed ) ...and the money isn't bad either. And while a successful hunter might kill one moose a year,I wonder how many moose a wolf pack kills every year?...One a week,one every couple of weeks? Not that I want to eradicate wolves,they certainly have their place in keeping the herd healthy but it seems to me every wolf removed from the Eco system results in more moose to breed ...
Trapping is the most effective method guiding Companies Have the right to trap wolfs off season to protect there investment sum hire experience trappers to thin out the wolfs in ther hunting lease
Suther your response is correct and well thought out (especially the part about Christy)
You also sound like you studied Geography at my Alma Mater.
I never took geography until my last year of university; but I really enjoyed it.
You also sound like you studied Geography at my Alma Mater.
I never took geography until my last year of university; but I really enjoyed it.
A biologist gave an interesting wolf presentation at the STA meet. One thing that he made clear was that his sample size is impossibly small, area covered miniscule compared to what there is out there, and research budget tiny. He was actively seeking boots on the ground, hands in the guts help from the trappers.
Some time ago the Vancouver Island marmot were seriously at risk of extinction,and very fortionaltly the intervention measures worked,the VI marmot is a success story.They recognised that 'letting nature take its course' would inevitably result in that species quickly becoming extinct.The biologists took a multi factored approach, they improved habitat, they captured and initiated a breeding program,and they removed Cougars,Wolves and even Eagles,all of which were dining on marmot( there was a great hue and cry denouncing the preditor cull, but it was wisely ignored and went ahead ,resulting in marmots survival ,there being little point in establishing a breeding program to feed the preditors )
I think the point is,the very fact humans are present and have inevitably altered the natural ecosystem with farms, forestry,roads and railways,and mines and building cities means Mother Nature sometimes needs a hand because the 'natural' balance of nature cannot co exist with humans who have 'progressed ' beyond hunter gatherer status ,the best we can do now is minimize our impact
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I'm specializing in spatial information systems, and there are lots of jobs in that field. You really wanna kill a party? Start a discussion on the effectiveness of remote sensing data applied to flood inundation modeling. Or drop words like thiessen polygons, kriging, and orthorectification. Lmfao
Man i wish i was a professional hunter. Here I sit, all concerned about putting food on my plate while the real pros get to be super selective of their prey...
Thankfully someone was smart enough thousands of years ago to domesticate the wolf...and a few other animals. And the bison? Lots of wild ones around these days...nobody needed to pen them in to prevent their species from extinction right? I'd like to buy a general bison tag...and one of those non draw pronghorn tags because we've done such a great job keeping their wild numbers healthy!
Oh and since we're swimming in elk and moose it's probably not a good idea to keep a few of those in private preserves...because we all know there will always be moose and elk right?
Oh and since we're swimming in elk and moose it's probably not a good idea to keep a few of those in private preserves...because we all know there will always be moose and elk right?
Excuse me Dr. Doolittle..... Just wanted to take a moment out of your usual broadcast schedule to point out that NONE of the species you mentioned are endangered.....and where they are dwindling in numbers the wolf populations have escalated...... (Good thing wolves were domesticated?).....
You are no more of a conservationist or a hunter than you are a true PHD.....
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American Bison is not endangered, but the Wood Bison is on the list. You also can't domesticate anything you want, only certain animals can be domesticated and as far as I am aware, Wolf is not one of them.
And hes clearly a hunter. Hes already said hes a professional remember?
Ok professor I guess I have to spell it out for you...
Dogs are domesticated from wolves...wild bison are endangered - there only 3 wild self sustaining herds, one in Yellowstone in Wyoming, one in Wood Buffalo park and a small herd in Theodore Roosevelt National park in North Dakota. That makes wild populations endangered...does everyone agree? Elk had to be reintroduced to numerous areas and have only grown in number largely because of efforts from very generous privately funded organisations. Of course government had to temporarily make the capture and relocation "legal" in order to make the elk program successful and not charge the private volunteers with numerous wildlife offences.
"wolf" was domesticated; in fact dogs and wolves are the same species "Canis Lupus" with domesticated dogs being the subspecies "Canis Lupis Familiaris" one of 40+ subspecies...
The idea that you can domesticate anything is incorrect; only a handful of animals conform to the "Anna Karenina principal" referencing the preface of the novel "all happy families are alike, all unhappy families are unhappy in their own way"
Attempts to domesticate deer and elk etc are bound to ultimately be failures because these species do not conform to the common principles that make a "happy family". Read any text on game farming and compare the effort involved in doing immunization etc without taking an antler in the belly to the relative ease with which you can sheer sheep, shoe horses etc.
North America was a domesticated landscape before the arrival of Europeans (Ardent mentioned a "natural fire cycle" destroying old growth; while some fires may have been natural proscribed burning was incredibly commonplace pre colonization); to try and domesticate the animals present spits in the face of logic and "natural" order...
The idea that you can domesticate anything is incorrect; only a handful of animals conform to the "Anna Karenina principal" referencing the preface of the novel "all happy families are alike, all unhappy families are unhappy in their own way"
Attempts to domesticate deer and elk etc are bound to ultimately be failures because these species do not conform to the common principles that make a "happy family". Read any text on game farming and compare the effort involved in doing immunization etc without taking an antler in the belly to the relative ease with which you can sheer sheep, shoe horses etc.
North America was a domesticated landscape before the arrival of Europeans (Ardent mentioned a "natural fire cycle" destroying old growth; while some fires may have been natural proscribed burning was incredibly commonplace pre colonization); to try and domesticate the animals present spits in the face of logic and "natural" order...
conor_90,
Domestication is a process that takes many generations of selective breeding for specific traits to produce offspring which also have those traits. What is domesticated today was wild at one time and had the undesirable characteristic of aggression replaced with docility for example. Calm indiviuals were chosen over anxious specimens etc.
The farming of deer, elk and bison has really only been in full swing for the last 20 years for example in the united states, however, caribou are domesticated in scandinavian countries and are called reign deer, while there are known examples of moose being used in place of draw horses.
Anything can be changed to suit our wants and needs if we are willing to change the way we think and act to produce such results. Human beings are very adept at adapting our environments to suit us And this theory is actuall outdated since gebetic engineering and genome sequencing can atrificially select or turn on genes responsible for many traits
Domestication is a process that takes many generations of selective breeding for specific traits to produce offspring which also have those traits. What is domesticated today was wild at one time and had the undesirable characteristic of aggression replaced with docility for example. Calm indiviuals were chosen over anxious specimens etc.
The farming of deer, elk and bison has really only been in full swing for the last 20 years for example in the united states, however, caribou are domesticated in scandinavian countries and are called reign deer, while there are known examples of moose being used in place of draw horses.
Anything can be changed to suit our wants and needs if we are willing to change the way we think and act to produce such results. Human beings are very adept at adapting our environments to suit us And this theory is actuall outdated since gebetic engineering and genome sequencing can atrificially select or turn on genes responsible for many traits
No; anything is not possible. There is a reason there are no truly domesticated cervids. Reindeer are herded and tamed; they are a "semi domesticate" and require massive tracts of land to roam on and make seasonal migrations....
Foxes are sort of an outlier; i'm sure you've heard of their rapid domestication by the Red Menace. How come intelligent deer scientists like yourself haven't been able to breed us a good docile 12 pointer?
The closest anyone has come to domesticating deer in NA is the Mayans (taming imo) and I suppose your heroes the Texans.
But we should not that in Tejas they select for trophy quality; their animals have none of the physical or behavioural hallmarks of domesticated animals because simply; they are not domesticated.
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