Best AR's in Canada?

Biloh said:
So you admit that you that bought it becuase it was Canadian. That was part of my point though. IF you just read that guys replies to me you wouldnt know my point as it seems he is skewing what I am saying. CC is not amongst the best in the world but they are good rifles.
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"So you admit that you that bought it because it was Canadian", you make that sound like being "Canadian" it must be inferior.

Colt Canada (Diemaco) is basically a boutique gun company making finely crafted firearms in limited runs for some of the most discerning customers in the world. Is it the fact that the US Navy Seals or Delta Force doesn't use them make them a bad rifle? No it doesn't, they have a lot of domestic and international suppliers of rifles to choose from, and I for one have no clue if any Colt Canada rifle could even be put forth for consideration as Colt US is the domestic supplier for the US Army. And remember, Colt Canada's rifles are based on the complete Military specifications supplied to Colt US and purchased by Colt Canada, with Colt Canada, reviewing and improving on over 200 aspects of this rifle.

I could have bought a Daniels Defence, HK or Sig Sauer, but for the money, the build quality and that it's CANADIAN, I bought a Diemaco SA20. I do think it's among the best in the world. If I want just a Canadian made rifle I could have spent far, far less and bought something else. I've tested other rifles and not one rifle felt as good in my hands as the SA20. I've traveled all over Southern Ontario to shoot different AR's including Daniels Defence, and when you're shooting, seeing the ignition of the gun powder in the chamber through the crack between the upper and lower I get jittery.

My Colt Canada SA20 is so precisely made that the tolerance and innovations that go into that CANADIAN made rifle mean I don't see a flash in my left eye as a bullet goes down range. And that sold me on this rifle.

Now are there "better" rifles? Depends on what you're measuring and how much money you're gonna plunk down on the counter if you can even get them in Canada. For $1,800 Canadian out the door, I think I got the best dam rifle in the world. But that's my opinion. If you can and want to spend $3k, $4k or $5k on an AR15 rifle, then more power to you and your choices may be far more exotic that a humble rifle made in Kitchener, Ontario.

If Colt Canada didn't offer the SA20 for sale to the civilian market, I would have might have gone with an HK or Daniels Defence as I believe Sig Sauer only make Piston Driven AR's.


Now the original question was:

CanadianBaconPancakes said:
Never really got into AR's yet and have been considering getting my 1 and ONLY AR this summer, Most of the information I can find points towards colt AR's but their has to be some other decent higher end AR's. What's some to look at? Not looking to spend over 3000$ ish.

This will be my only one so I need to make it count.
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You could look at the Alberta tactical Rifle at https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/Products/firearms/rifles#?currentPage=2&sortValue=0&CALIBER=5.56%20NATO

I've shot Norinco, Daniels Defence, DPMS and in my personal opinion I liked the feel, fit and finish of the Colt Canada SA20. But that's my opinion. If I had a chance to shot a Barrett, FN Herstal or an HK, who know's. But for the money and as I've said, being Canadian, I went with the SA20.
 
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WinterHawk said:
"So you admit that you that bought it because it was Canadian", you make that sound like being "Canadian" it must be inferior.

Colt Canada (Diemaco) is basically a boutique gun company making finely crafted firearms in limited runs for some of the most discerning customers in the world. Is it the fact that the US Navy Seals or Delta Force doesn't use them make them a bad rifle? No it doesn't, they have a lot of domestic and international suppliers of rifles to choose from, and I for one have no clue if any Colt Canada rifle could even be put forth for consideration as Colt US is the domestic supplier for the US Army. And remember, Colt Canada's rifles are based on the complete Military specifications supplied to Colt US and purchased by Colt Canada, with Colt Canada, reviewing and improving on over 200 aspects of this rifle.

I could have bought a Daniels Defence, HK or Sig Sauer, but for the money, the build quality and that it's CANADIAN, I bought a Diemaco SA20. I do think it's among the best in the world. If I want just a Canadian made rifle I could have spent far, far less and bought something else. I've tested other rifles and not one rifle felt as good in my hands as the SA20. I've traveled all over Southern Ontario to shoot different AR's including Daniels Defence, and when you're shooting, seeing the ignition of the gun powder in the chamber through the crack between the upper and lower I get jittery.

My Colt Canada SA20 is so precisely made that the tolerance and innovations that go into that CANADIAN made rifle mean I don't see a flash in my left eye as a bullet goes down range. And that sold me on this rifle.

Now are there "better" rifles? Depends on what you're measuring and how much money you're gonna plunk down on the counter if you can even get them in Canada. For $1,800 Canadian out the door, I think I got the best dam rifle in the world. But that's my opinion. If you can and want to spend $3k, $4k or $5k on an AR15 rifle, then more power to you and your choices may be far more exotic that a humble rifle made in Kitchener, Ontario.

If Colt Canada didn't offer the SA20 for sale to the civilian market, I would have might have gone with an HK or Daniels Defence as I believe Sig Sauer only make Piston Driven AR's.
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No i didnt imply that buying Canadian is inferior. In fact i meant the opposite. I just made the point before that dont think its superior just because its Canadian.

Also, you are talking about the best bang for the buck instead of the best. We were talking about the best. Im glad you enjoy your purchase and im sure its a good gun. But my all i am saying is that it isnt in the top 5 ish in my opinion. And do you not like piston driven?
 
Biloh said:
No i didnt imply that buying Canadian is inferior. In fact i meant the opposite. I just made the point before that dont think its superior just because its Canadian.

Also, you are talking about the best bang for the buck instead of the best. We were talking about the best. Im glad you enjoy your purchase and im sure its a good gun. But my all i am saying is that it isnt in the top 5 ish in my opinion. And do you not like piston driven?
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From my research it sounded like Piston Driven AR15's can have some issues with cleaning and using less than quality ammo. I don't know for sure and it may not be the case but because of the rarity of Piston Driven AR's in the ranges here in Southern Ontario and my local gun shops, I can't get first hand accounts. If I had the desire to spend the cash of multiple AR's I'm sure one would be a Piston Driven one for the novelty such as a SCAR. But that's pricey to just have as a "like to" vs. a "need to".

As for Colt Canada producing a rifle that's in the "top 5", that's subjective. I don't want to spend more than $2k as it can only be shot at a range, with the indoor ranges limited to 25 meters what's the point? But then I went and bought the IUR upper for it, so that was an extra $900 at the time, go figure. Now I'm waiting for the MRR to come out and hope that it's not priced a hell of a lot more than $2k. If it is, I'm going to have to think long and hard as you can only shot 1 rifle at a time, you can bring as many as you want to the range, but you can only shot 1. And 1 rifle goes BOOM just as well as the next.
 
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WinterHawk said:
From my research it sounded like Piston Driven AR15's can have some issues with cleaning and using less than quality ammo. I don't know for sure and it may not be the case but because of the rarity of Piston Driven AR's in the ranges here in Southern Ontario and my local gun shops, I can't get first hand accounts. If I had the desire to spend the cash of multiple AR's I'm sure one would be a Piston Driven one for the novelty such as a SCAR. But that's pricey to just have as a "like to" vs. a "need to".

As for Colt Canada producing a rifle that's in the "top 5", that's subjective. I don't want to spend more than $2k as it can only be shot at a range, with the indoor ranges limited to 25 meters what's the point? But then I went and bought the IUR upper for it, so that was an extra $900 at the time, go figure. Now I'm waiting for the MRR to come out and hope that it's not priced a hell of a lot more than $2k. If it is, I'm going to have to think long and hard as you can only shot 1 rifle at a time, you can bring as many as you want to the range, but you can only shot 1. And 1 rifle goes BOOM just as well as the next.
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you really need to find a better range
 
WinterHawk said:
From my research it sounded like Piston Driven AR15's can have some issues with cleaning and using less than quality ammo. I don't know for sure and it may not be the case but because of the rarity of Piston Driven AR's in the ranges here in Southern Ontario and my local gun shops, I can't get first hand accounts. If I had the desire to spend the cash of multiple AR's I'm sure one would be a Piston Driven one for the novelty such as a SCAR. But that's pricey to just have as a "like to" vs. a "need to".

As for Colt Canada producing a rifle that's in the "top 5", that's subjective. I don't want to spend more than $2k as it can only be shot at a range, with the indoor ranges limited to 25 meters what's the point? But then I went and bought the IUR upper for it, so that was an extra $900 at the time, go figure. Now I'm waiting for the MRR to come out and hope that it's not priced a hell of a lot more than $2k. If it is, I'm going to have to think long and hard as you can only shot 1 rifle at a time, you can bring as many as you want to the range, but you can only shot 1. And 1 rifle goes BOOM just as well as the next.
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We can almost guarantee that the MRR will be more than 2k unfortuantely. It just looks too good. I cant wait to find out though. My guess is it will be $2500 for the 15.7
 
The guys from Colt came to Stittsville ranges today and they have some awesome stuff on tap for June, save up because these puppies are top shelf. They have a 12in model and it's sweet.
 
mikethebike said:
you really need to find a better range
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Well, the ranges that are longer are either not taking any new members or are hours away from "the centre of the universe"... When some of you think that your 15 minute commute in the morning across town is "brutal", try an 60 to 90 minutes on a good day if the 401 is cooperating. We have 16 lanes across for a reason. Now for some more adventurous shooters out there their are some "unofficial" ranges to be had in Toronto City Limit, but those are the kind where the targets are shooting back. So unless I can join the CF and shoot at Borden in Barrie, I'm stuck with shooting indoors.
 
Ottawa said:
The guys from Colt came to Stittsville ranges today and they have some awesome stuff on tap for June, save up because these puppies are top shelf. They have a 12in model and it's sweet.
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I don't think something with that short a barrel would be available to the civilian market? And how accurate would it be? Sounds like a rifle for CQB or in a patrol car.
 
Well the MRR's are going to look amazing with the cerakote colors as well. I really hope they hav enough stock and arent going to be sold out for months and months

One thing i do not like is that the rail is integrated so there will be no changing the rail ever.
 
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Biloh said:
Well the MRR's are going to look amazing with the cerakote colors as well. I really hope they hav enough stock and arent going to be sold out for months and months

One thing i do not like is that the rail is integrated so there will be no changing the rail ever.
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Stated many times we are only getting the Black MMR's not to mention brace for a 2200-2500 $tag lol I'll pass not going to be worth the money.
 
WinterHawk said:
It's not the same company. The bankruptcy proceeding for Colt US have no impact on Colt Canada as Diemaco is an Canadian Defense Contractor and our only source for Canadian made AR15 rifles. The Canadian Government would take over Colt Canada to maintain a domestic supply.

As Colt Canada has a much lower production volume and doesn't rely on civilian customers, the build quality is so much higher. The requirements provided to Colt Canada for their AR15's exceed NATO and US specifications because we have to make every dollar go that much further. The barrels are cold hammer forged to make them both accurate and to last longer, they have to shoot reliably in both the Canadian artic and where every Canadian troops serve. And if you know much about the Canadian military, they just don't have the money or logistics support that the US Army does, so they can't afford to be swapping out parts as often.

And the rifles made by Colt Canada met and or exceed all US Government Military specifications as Colt Canada is the only company to have the complete official specifications from the US Government. Some company's may claim to be "Mil Spec" but really aren't because unless you have the specifications supplied by the Pentagon like COLT in the US, you're just guessing and building you rifle based on the Colt design or what ever specifications have been made public.
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That explains it well, smaller production runs are much easier to keep within tighter tolerances, especially when supplying the military. Thats a contract you don't want to mess up.
 
Biloh said:
Actually you are attacking me by saying these are the dumbest thing you ever read and ther is no point in talking to me etc etc. Then you are being hypocritical in your own comments. By your comment you are saying that CC is the best and then you saying that you guess there may be others that are better. What makes CC soo good? You seem to know alot about CC. Those articles and video you posted hardly said anything. Again, just becuase the military uses them doesn't make them amongst the top guns. Anyways its pointless to continue I guess. I will not be buying a c7 or c8 rifle and neither will most people.
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You need some sorting out...

First, I never once gave my opinion on Colt Canada Rifles. You can make assumptions, but I've never once stated my opinion that it's the best AR for the money. I have not held or fired a Colt Canada Product so my knowledge is second hand and I don't tend to rave about something I haven't held. To prevent you from making more assumptions, I was issued a DIEMACO Rifle for a bit, so my opinion isn't without merit.

Second, if you told me you were going to go play on the QEW at 07:30 I'd tell you it was stupid. It would be stating a fact, not attacking you. Judging a Rifle by the available stock on any given day is on the same level of flawed logic, if not risk.

Third, if you don't appreciate the fact that the Gold Standard for SF Units picked a Colt Canada product over the other challengers I can only question your understanding of the process. A bunch of Mall Ninjas pounding away on their keys really don't have a good understanding of what an Infantry Rifle will go through. I happen to know first hand. If Britain's Special Air Service selected a version of the C-8 it was because it was better or equal to all submitted Rifles. As for the comment, "if that means nothing to you then why am I even "talking" to you". I was speaking rhetorically, and yet you focus on that as an attack and gloss over the fact the "First among equals", The SAS, has picked a Colt Canada Rifle like it's being selected for general issue.

Here's some advice since you're new here. Share your opinion, this is a public forum. Read carefully, if you feel like your being "attacked", go back and read it again. Show some respect, if you are going to exchange views with someone take the time to understand their point and make sure you are expressing yourself clearly. As for respect, I just spent 1 1/2 hours formulating this reply because if I'm going to get in your face I'm going to take the time to express myself as clearly as I'm able. If a reply indicates I was misunderstood I go back and read what they said and what I said, I demand the same courtesy even if I don't expect it to happen.

Sorry to the OP for adding to the clutter...
 
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