Insite Arms fixing poorly built cooper arms rifles
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So, since you started the thread, I assume it's something you are interested in discussing. So,
1. What was the factory Ammo that you used?
2. Did you just try one brand/box?
3. Anything to compare to ensure that the Ammo was within spec?
4. Skipping past the whole "Prophet just told me my scope was off..." part: what did Insite do to repair it? Ream the chamber, polish the chamber? Was it a bolt spec issue....?
5. How did it function after the repair? You won't know it's fixed until you chamber a round, fire and extract without issue.
6. If it's working, I hope you enjoy the cooper! Keep the pics coming, btw. Just include some info on topic too!
1. What was the factory Ammo that you used?
2. Did you just try one brand/box?
3. Anything to compare to ensure that the Ammo was within spec?
4. Skipping past the whole "Prophet just told me my scope was off..." part: what did Insite do to repair it? Ream the chamber, polish the chamber? Was it a bolt spec issue....?
5. How did it function after the repair? You won't know it's fixed until you chamber a round, fire and extract without issue.
6. If it's working, I hope you enjoy the cooper! Keep the pics coming, btw. Just include some info on topic too!
I used nosler ammo Hornady and I was loading my own.to repair it he put a new barrel on it because the chamber was to small u should not try to ream it again because it wont be in the same laithe so it wont be true and did not want to risk that.FUNCTION great now
Maybe Insite could chime in and give us the straight goods on what was the issue.
Was this Cooper in fact so out of spec that it genuinly needed a barrel replacement?
As an aside; I've dealt with Clay at Prophet River for many years and he has always gone above and beyond expectation. I would be very surprised if the OP went through the proper order of things that Clay would not assist him. Theres definitely more to this story...
Was this Cooper in fact so out of spec that it genuinly needed a barrel replacement?
As an aside; I've dealt with Clay at Prophet River for many years and he has always gone above and beyond expectation. I would be very surprised if the OP went through the proper order of things that Clay would not assist him. Theres definitely more to this story...
As per the bad customer experience we cant comment as to what went on as we weren't part of that. As for the rifle and what we had to do to fix the problem we can.
The rifle had many measurements that were well outside of what they should have been to the point of the brass having separation issues. The tennon threads were .015 undersized so attempting to set up and redial in the chamber to fix the problem of excessive head space was not an option either. With the action being machined the way it is with an abbreviated and or interrupted thread we felt it best to re-barrel and not reuse the old barrel with the threads being out of spec. Even if the threads had not been undersized and with the issues found in the chamber we would have opted not try to redial it in and square it up because of the length of tennon would have became to short we feel for accurate torque on the action. They are a very light body action and with being broached full through it makes for a light duty use.
The rifle had many measurements that were well outside of what they should have been to the point of the brass having separation issues. The tennon threads were .015 undersized so attempting to set up and redial in the chamber to fix the problem of excessive head space was not an option either. With the action being machined the way it is with an abbreviated and or interrupted thread we felt it best to re-barrel and not reuse the old barrel with the threads being out of spec. Even if the threads had not been undersized and with the issues found in the chamber we would have opted not try to redial it in and square it up because of the length of tennon would have became to short we feel for accurate torque on the action. They are a very light body action and with being broached full through it makes for a light duty use.
Cooper has been making wonderful rifles for over 25 years. I''m sure that criticism from a company that has assembled a couple dozen rifles in their garage won't be too big of a concern.
Do they even have a garage?
Cooper has been making wonderful rifles for over 25 years. I''m sure that criticism from a company that has assembled a couple dozen rifles in their garage won't be too big of a concern.
No company is perfect, but even when I did have a small issue with a Cooper rifle, Clay made sure that Cooper took care of the issue to my satisfaction. However, it appears that the OP has never even spoken to Clay about the issue, so obviously, he didn't have the opportunity to deal with it.
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Away at the H P gunshow. Will ask around shop on Monday if this seems familiar to anybody. A rifle coming in with a scope mounted sideways is normally not forgotten!
I don't mean to sound critical in anyway BUT the OP should not posy anything about machining methodology or problems encountered because he plainly has no knowledge of the subject and his postings just muddy the already-murky waters. If I saw the unaltered, original barrel, even without the action, I would have a pretty good shot at determining what isues existed. Otherwise I can only guess at it. I may have some opinions and suspicions, one way or the other, but since they are only conjecture, I can't or won't voice them.
I do think the OP would have done better to keep quiet. He did little to help the shop which re-barreled his rifle. If he had simply said, " Look at the neat rifle Harley made up for me", without trying to slag Cooper or the retailer, he might have been better served. If he had been capable of presenting a coherent and precise description of the problem which existed, everyone would have been better served. To present a barely understandable rant then to go on and try to explain machining difficulties when the subject is plainly beyond him was a mistake.
I also have to say, I really dislike comments about guys who work out of their garage. I have known some supremely gifted gunsmiths, gunmakers, barrelmakers, etc. who have worked out of their garage or basement or converted chicken coop. It is no measure of their abilities or lack thereof. It's just a snide comment.
I do think the OP would have done better to keep quiet. He did little to help the shop which re-barreled his rifle. If he had simply said, " Look at the neat rifle Harley made up for me", without trying to slag Cooper or the retailer, he might have been better served. If he had been capable of presenting a coherent and precise description of the problem which existed, everyone would have been better served. To present a barely understandable rant then to go on and try to explain machining difficulties when the subject is plainly beyond him was a mistake.
I also have to say, I really dislike comments about guys who work out of their garage. I have known some supremely gifted gunsmiths, gunmakers, barrelmakers, etc. who have worked out of their garage or basement or converted chicken coop. It is no measure of their abilities or lack thereof. It's just a snide comment.
It sounds to me like the OP went into the store where he purchased the rifle because he was having issues, and when someone pointed out that he had mounted the scope 90 degrees out, he became embarrassed and offended, and because of that, he went elsewhere to have someone else deal with his issue, rather than give the retailer and the manufacturer a chance to resolve the issue. Now that the rifle is rebarreled , he is trying to blame the issue on both the retailer, and the manufacturer, when in fact he probably still doesn't understand the real cause for the issues that he was having, and he never gave the retailer or the manufacturer the opportunity to correct those issues.
