Bill S-223

durzoblint said:
Sent emails to the Ontario Senators today, first time I ever did something like that.

I ended with this;

"The government needs to start serving the people again, as it was original intended to do. And stop serving itself."
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I got a few back as well

"This is to acknowledge receipt of your email regarding Bill S-223, which was introduced in the Senate last week by Senator Hervieux-Payette.

Under the previous Conservative Government, I proudly upheld the rights of law abiding firearm owners by voting to remove the gun registry. I will continue to support the rights of Canadians, and my constituents of British Columbia, who own guns legally.

I appreciate that you have taken the time to send your thoughts and concerns. As Deputy Leader of the Opposition, I will also carefully monitor the Bill on the Senate floor.

Sincerely,

Senator Yonah Martin"
 
So I got about halfway through this thread before realizing it's basically the same thing over and over. So I stopped reading to write this post:


Why the hell are we emailing and mailing and faxing letters every time something like this gets proposed, only to say that we hope they do not support this bill? Why are we not also asking for the complete scrapping of c-68, removing the amendments to the criminal code, demanding the right to self defense, and using our collective clout to pressure the government to do what we want? Who gives a #### if it's a liberal majority? At the end of the day they are all employees and their job is to represent the people of Canada, not their own interests!

Let's start writing letters demanding fair treatment! And why wait for stuff like this to rear it's ugly head? What if 2 million firearms owners made a chain email containing every senator/MP in the cc list, and sent the same email day after day after day? After the first time you send it, all you have to do is click "resend".

2 MILLION EMAILS PER DAY PER GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL UNTIL EVERY SCRAP OF C68 AND IT'S ILK HAVE BEEN REMOVED ROOT AND STEM.

Enough pussy footing around.
 
quadtracker85 said:
What is there 2 million gun owners in Canada. What happens if people just don't comply with whatever law they bring in. They are not going to arrest 2 million people, they are not going to shoot 2 million people. So stop pissing your pants and prepare to make a stand.
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(NB: Again, I'm not telling people to break the law now or in the future.)

This has to be a big concern for the Libs. They know very well that compliance was a HUGE issue with the LGR. That's why they gave firearms owners 8 YEARS (2003) to actually comply with the law. The biggest estimate was a non-compliance rate of up to 70%. The ghost of the LGR controversy, the public opposition, the insane cost overruns, and the ultimate failure still haunts the Liberals. So it should.

I believe that the Trudeau Liberals fear not only new controversy but also a high rate of non-compliance with any "gun grabbing" they try to impose. Making hundreds of thousands of Canadians criminals overnight would be a huge problem for them on many levels.

Realistically, I think that when the Libs come to trample on our civil liberties they will probably focus on Restricted firearms...b/c there's a registry (ie/ a confiscation list). Remember, C68 made about half of all of the registered handguns into "prohibited firearms" in 1995...in the absence of any evidence that these handguns had created any realistic danger or harm to Canadians.
 
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bcbravo2zero said:
(nb: Again, i'm not telling people to break the law now or in the future.)

this has to be a big concern for the libs. They know very well that compliance was a huge issue with the lgr. That's why they gave firearms owner 8 years (2003) to actually comply with the law. The biggest estimate was a non-compliance rate of up to 70%. The ghost of the lgr controversy, the public opposition, the insane cost overruns, and the ultimate failure still haunts the liberals. So it should.

I believe that the trudeau liberals fear not only new controversy but also a high rate of non-compliance with any "gun grabbing" they try to impose. Making hundreds of thousands of canadians criminals overnight would be a huge problem for them on many levels.

Realistically, i think that when the libs come to trample on our civil liberties they will probably focus on restricted firearms...b/c there's a registry (ie/ a confiscation list). Remember, c68 made about half of all of the registered handguns into "prohibited firearms" in 1995...in the absence of any evidence that these handguns had created any realistic danger or harm to canadians.
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this is a fu****g guarentee!
 
An article by Gary Mauser on why the LGR didn't work is worth a read: http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...e-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did

"Not everyone complied. An estimated 65% of firearms owners registered at least one rifle or shotgun, and no more than half of all long guns ended up in the registry. Opposition was intense and has never abated. Grassroots anger helped to fuel the rise of the Reform Party, and contributed to the elimination of the Liberals as a political force in the West. Despite their mutual antagonism, three opposition parties (Reform, Progressive Conservative and New Democrat) united against the legislation. Only the Bloc Québécois voted with the Liberals."

Firearms license holders are almost 6% of the population.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/index-eng.htm
Look at "Safety Training" and how many Safety Course students there have been year by year. This is especially so for the Restricted Safety Course.
The general trend is that we are a growing population.
And we are passionate about our civil liberties.
 
quadtracker85 said:
What is there 2 million gun owners in Canada. What happens if people just don't comply with whatever law they bring in. They are not going to arrest 2 million people, they are not going to shoot 2 million people. So stop pissing your pants and prepare to make a stand.
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^This. Canadians are not playing this game again, they can screw off.
 
While I agree we must not be complacent and this can be a liberal trial balloon to see how far they can push, facts are this is a private members bill brought up in the conservative controlled senate and would need to be approved by the pc majority which it will not.
This is NOT a bill brought out by the liberal government which would be big trouble,it is is a lame duck pitch that has no hope and if responsible members keep yelling wolf then when the real problems come everyone will ignore. This call to the fight of our lives is way overstated and irresponsible where 223 is concerned
 
kaos013 said:
While I agree we must not be complacent and this can be a liberal trial balloon to see how far they can push, facts are this is a private members bill brought up in the conservative controlled senate and would need to be approved by the pc majority which it will not.
This is NOT a bill brought out by the liberal government which would be big trouble,it is is a lame duck pitch that has no hope and if responsible members keep yelling wolf then when the real problems come everyone will ignore. This call to the fight of our lives is way overstated and irresponsible where 223 is concerned
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I agree with the 1st part of your post, but not the 2nd.

We should not overreact. Our response should be measured.
(This is why I like the well-crafted letters that have been posted on the 2 main threads on CGN. We need to be vocal.)
However, it is very likely that 223 is, indeed, the start of the fight.
The Liberal Cabinet is watching. They will gauge our reaction to this bill despite the fact that it will never become law.

If we look like pushovers, then we'll be treated as pushovers.
They need to be reminded of the grass-roots opposition they created with their over-the-top "gun control" measures of the past.
 
The senate is still mainly conservative. The liberals in the senate are also a totally different Liberal Party, they are not typically anti gun so the chances this will pass are highly unlikely.
 
bcbravo2zero said:
I agree with the 1st part of your post, but not the 2nd.

We should not overreact. Our response should be measured.
(This is why I like the well-crafted letters that have been posted on the 2 main threads on CGN. We need to be vocal.)
However, it is very likely that 223 is, indeed, the start of the fight.
The Liberal Cabinet is watching. They will gauge our reaction to this bill despite the fact that it will never become law.

If we look like pushovers, then we'll be treated as pushovers.
They need to be reminded of the grass-roots opposition they created with their over-the-top "gun control" measures of the past.
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Amen to that.
 
bcbravo2zero said:
I agree with the 1st part of your post, but not the 2nd.

We should not overreact. Our response should be measured.
(This is why I like the well-crafted letters that have been posted on the 2 main threads on CGN. We need to be vocal.)
However, it is very likely that 223 is, indeed, the start of the fight.
The Liberal Cabinet is watching. They will gauge our reaction to this bill despite the fact that it will never become law.

If we look like pushovers, then we'll be treated as pushovers.
They need to be reminded of the grass-roots opposition they created with their over-the-top "gun control" measures of the past.
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Amen to that
 
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