Good group size for tokarev @ 25 yards?

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New to pistol shooting, first purchase was a 1944 russki tok. Im running russian surplus ammo thru it.

Wonder what a half decent group size would be with this firearm @ 25 yards. For the moment ive got myself hitting vitals on a man sized target 100% of the time at that distance.

Really enjoying this gun so far, something ive learned over the last couple range sessions is the slide-lock on mine cannot be trusted. Half the time inserting a mag slams a round home. I banned inserting a mag on an open slide for my range guests for safety reasons. Not a problem when im using it because muzzle and trigger finger is always in the right spot, I never trust a new shooter tho.
 
its probably the top of the magazine impacting the slide release.
As far as accuracy that doesn't sound too bad. I have some that are terrible, and one that is pretty damn good.
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derr12 said:
New to pistol shooting, first purchase was a 1944 russki tok. Im running russian surplus ammo thru it.

Wonder what a half decent group size would be with this firearm @ 25 yards. For the moment ive got myself hitting vitals on a man sized target 100% of the time at that distance.

Really enjoying this gun so far, something ive learned over the last couple range sessions is the slide-lock on mine cannot be trusted. Half the time inserting a mag slams a round home. I banned inserting a mag on an open slide for my range guests for safety reasons. Not a problem when im using it because muzzle and trigger finger is always in the right spot, I never trust a new shooter tho.
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Hit the body at 25yards was what the gun was designed to do. Can easily do that so all is good.

TT's are very cheaply built so these sort of slide/mag issues are to be expected. The gun was designed to be carried with one in the chamber at half ####. Not the safest method but they are what they are.
 
All my pistols slam home for me when I insert a full mag. It's handy!
Sounds like you have your shooting down pat! Think of how good you'll do with a more accurate platform.
 
At 25 yards a good shooter with a capable gun should be able to keep all the rounds in a 2 inch circle at best and out to around 5 inches at worst give or take a half inch from group to group. This assumes someone with good shooting skills and good eyesight.

Me getting older and having "oldguyeyetis" can only manage 3 inches with any degree of repeatability on special evenings with my better guns. A more normal size is closer to 4 to 4.5 inches much too often. And if I get at all sloppy or tired and lose focus on the basics of good bullseye shooting it opens up to more like 8 or 9 inches REAL quick. This is all shooting in a slow measured bullseye pace. If I go for more of a speedy tactical style shooting I'd be happy at 25 yards with keeping more than half within an 8 inch group.

Oddly enough I don't find the thick front sight to be any sort of hindrance to accuracy IF the rear notch is sized such that there's only a thin sliver of light to either side. If there's too much light it's too hard to match the evenness of the front blade in the notch and accuracy goes down the toilet. But if the rear notch is a proper size then it's pretty simple to put the target in the center line of a wider front blade.
 
BCRider said:
At 25 yards a good shooter with a capable gun should be able to keep all the rounds in a 2 inch circle at best and out to around 5 inches at worst give or take a half inch from group to group. This assumes someone with good shooting skills and good eyesight.

Me getting older and having "oldguyeyetis" can only manage 3 inches with any degree of repeatability on special evenings with my better guns. A more normal size is closer to 4 to 4.5 inches much too often. And if I get at all sloppy or tired and lose focus on the basics of good bullseye shooting it opens up to more like 8 or 9 inches REAL quick. This is all shooting in a slow measured bullseye pace. If I go for more of a speedy tactical style shooting I'd be happy at 25 yards with keeping more than half within an 8 inch group.

Oddly enough I don't find the thick front sight to be any sort of hindrance to accuracy IF the rear notch is sized such that there's only a thin sliver of light to either side. If there's too much light it's too hard to match the evenness of the front blade in the notch and accuracy goes down the toilet. But if the rear notch is a proper size then it's pretty simple to put the target in the center line of a wider front blade.
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I am an old fart. I use a square needle file to open up pistol rear sight notches. This allows me to see a good sight picture.
 
Ganderite said:
I am an old fart. I use a square needle file to open up pistol rear sight notches. This allows me to see a good sight picture.
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Me too- it really makes a difference on the TT to have that U-shaped rear sight opened up to a square slot. I just squared up the corners, without making the sides or depth any larger. And while I had my files out, I made a few swipes at the right rear corners of the mags, because they were really digging into the palm of my hand.
Much nicer gun to handle and shoot with those 2 small changes.
 
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I am an old fart. I use a square needle file to open up pistol rear sight notches. This allows me to see a good sight picture.
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One one of my handguns that I use for fast action shooting I did the same thing. Small lines of light are harder to see quickly. And if taken to extremes harder to see at all for us guys with "oldguyeyetis". So I'm not at all surprised to see that widening the rear helped.

Whatever it take, eh?
 
My TT33 is quite accurate. It's a Russian 1944.
I don't shoot pistols past 15 meters usually but even then, at 15 meters standing using Russian surplus ammo I can put 8 rounds in about a 4 to 5" circle.
That's not taking my time or anything just casual shooting.
Mind you I shoot it a lot so I'm very used to the grip and the sights/trigger etc.
My quote on the TT33 is: They are not easy to shoot accurately but they are very accurate guns.
It's still one of my favorite hanguns I've ever shot of all the one's I've owned and borrowed over the years. Fits my hands fine, easy to reach all the controls without even breaking grip, cheap as dirt to buy and feed. It's a must own for any Canadian Restricted holder.
 
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derr12 said:
New to pistol shooting, first purchase was a 1944 russki tok. Im running russian surplus ammo thru it.

Wonder what a half decent group size would be with this firearm @ 25 yards. For the moment ive got myself hitting vitals on a man sized target 100% of the time at that distance.

Really enjoying this gun so far, something ive learned over the last couple range sessions is the slide-lock on mine cannot be trusted. Half the time inserting a mag slams a round home. I banned inserting a mag on an open slide for my range guests for safety reasons. Not a problem when im using it because muzzle and trigger finger is always in the right spot, I never trust a new shooter tho.
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It's was designed to work this way. When the slide is open and you bump in a mag, the slide will close chambering a round. Lots of handguns have this feature, makes reloading faster.
 
I had a newbie successfully running one hole drils and making head shots at 10 yards after a morning of instruction.

These old warhorses are accurate, despite what people say.

-S.
 
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