Savage 10 FCP-SR with VERY short freebore

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I am hoping the collective wisdom here on CGN can assist me with an issue I’m having with my Savage 10 FCP-SR in .308 Win.

I’ve just recently acquired a Hornady straight OAL gauge in an effort to improve the performance of the reloads I am making and found some very puzzling results that seem to indicate I have a VERY short freebore.

Using the OAL gauge with appropriate modified case and a Sierra Match King 175 grain bullet I get readings from the base of the case to the ogive of ~2.121”. Using a Hornady AMAX 168 grain bullet I get ~2.107" and with a Hornady Match 168 grain bullet I get ~2.112”. (This seems reasonable given the varied shapes of the bullets.)

I decided to measure a set of five 175 grain Federal Gold Medal Match (which use Sierra Match King 175 grain bullets I believe) reading ~2.206” and these definitely jam into the lands a good way. Difficult to measure, but I would venture the assumed 0.085" (i.e., 2.206" - 2.121”) is not far off.

Since the Federal Gold Medal Match COAL is a smidge under 2.800” I’m therefore looking at about 2.715” COAL to use the 175 grain Sierra Match King in an effort to just kiss the lands, which frankly seems a bit strange.

Is there any history of odd chambering on this series of rifles? I did find a post somewhere where someone indicated that Savage occasionally uses a .308 Obermeyer reamer and this sounds a lot like it might be the case here (shorter freebore.)

What really concerns me is a staggering amount of jam into the lands with a common commercial load – roughly 1/12”!! That just cannot be correct, can it?

Should I refrain from firing the rifle until it is inspected? I’ve got 600+ rounds down the pipe, including GMMs with all my fingers and toes accounted for, so I guess this isn’t a timebomb, but being limited to a 2.715" COAL without jamming seems off.

Thoughts?
 
I've no first hand experience, but reading other forums, tight throats seem to be a common issue with the Savage 308 target rifles.

Looking at the Saami specs the leade (taper) from throat to bore shouldn't start till 2.1388", so yours sounds short.

Your options are call Savage or get a local gunsmith to run a throating reamer into your chamber.

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Were you having any issues with hard extraction? I have a 10 FCP-K and I am having extraction issues. I measured the chamber using a unsized case and a 180gr hornady BTSP and got a overall length of 2.808 and max length is given as 2.810 so not much freebore at all.
I am hoping the collective wisdom here on CGN can assist me with an issue I’m having with my Savage 10 FCP-SR in .308 Win.

I’ve just recently acquired a Hornady straight OAL gauge in an effort to improve the performance of the reloads I am making and found some very puzzling results that seem to indicate I have a VERY short freebore.

Using the OAL gauge with appropriate modified case and a Sierra Match King 175 grain bullet I get readings from the base of the case to the ogive of ~2.121”. Using a Hornady AMAX 168 grain bullet I get ~2.107" and with a Hornady Match 168 grain bullet I get ~2.112”. (This seems reasonable given the varied shapes of the bullets.)

I decided to measure a set of five 175 grain Federal Gold Medal Match (which use Sierra Match King 175 grain bullets I believe) reading ~2.206” and these definitely jam into the lands a good way. Difficult to measure, but I would venture the assumed 0.085" (i.e., 2.206" - 2.121”) is not far off.

Since the Federal Gold Medal Match COAL is a smidge under 2.800” I’m therefore looking at about 2.715” COAL to use the 175 grain Sierra Match King in an effort to just kiss the lands, which frankly seems a bit strange.

Is there any history of odd chambering on this series of rifles? I did find a post somewhere where someone indicated that Savage occasionally uses a .308 Obermeyer reamer and this sounds a lot like it might be the case here (shorter freebore.)

What really concerns me is a staggering amount of jam into the lands with a common commercial load – roughly 1/12”!! That just cannot be correct, can it?

Should I refrain from firing the rifle until it is inspected? I’ve got 600+ rounds down the pipe, including GMMs with all my fingers and toes accounted for, so I guess this isn’t a timebomb, but being limited to a 2.715" COAL without jamming seems off.

Thoughts?
 
I found both my .308 Savage rifles had extremely long chambers. The only factory ammo I could get to group decently was Hornady with the 165 A-max or 165 SPBT, which has a fair bit longer OAL than other factory loads I've tried.

My buddy reloads, and his Savage has a similarly long chamber, his reloads are longer than factory and he get's excellent results.
 
Thanks for the input. I guess there is something lacking in Savage quality control.

No hard extraction issues on my end. When doing load development early on I did have a couple of loads jam into the lands (at 2.800 COAL) and when extracting unfired they would pop open filling the chamber with powder. Lots of fun to clean up!
 
Thanks for the input. I guess there is something lacking in Savage quality control.

No hard extraction issues on my end. When doing load development early on I did have a couple of loads jam into the lands (at 2.800 COAL) and when extracting unfired they would pop open filling the chamber with powder. Lots of fun to clean up!

this can't be a quality control issue because a short throat reamer is made like that as opposed to a worn out reamer.
Call Savage and ask them first.

ps: I have 2 Savages in 223, one is a hunter (sporter) with long throat, the other a varminter with bull barrel and really short throat.
 
this can't be a quality control issue because a short throat reamer is made like that as opposed to a worn out reamer.
Call Savage and ask them first.

ps: I have 2 Savages in 223, one is a hunter (sporter) with long throat, the other a varminter with bull barrel and really short throat.

That makes a lot of sense, and given the rumour of the use of .308 Obermeyer for chambering some models, that seems very much to be the case here. What doesn't make sense to me is to chamber in Obermeyer on a tactical-type rifle with a 1:10 twist. The former decision seems to imply lighter (shorter) bullets are presumed, while the latter favours a heavier bullet. Since I want to be able to spin up 175g SMKs and TMKs I would prefer a normally long throat so that I have more room to seat and thus more space in the case to load powder without compressing the load.

It's going in for a look at the warranty centre.
 
To further the Savage short chamber discussion, I have a 10TR and 10FP, both 308. Using Hornady's LNL OAL gauge, the 10TR measured 2.0960" OAL with a SMK .308 Win 168 Grain. My 10FP measured 2.0915.
Measuring 10x Federal Gold Medal Match .308 Win 168 Grain my average OAL was 2.2230". SO, they are jamming into the lands by 0.134" / 0.138". Running one of these into the chamber and extracting you can clearly see rifling marks...
 
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