best 1911 in .22lR?

For the price I don't really have any complaints about my gsg. There's some peening on the slide where the slide lock engages but it's minor and doesn't affect anything. It was a little picky about ammo out of the box but after several hundred rounds of high velocity ammo it eats anything now.
 
Mr. Friendly said:
Sig's 1911 in .22LR is on listed on another manufacturer's website?
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Other manufacturers license the manufacture of their firearms by others all the time where they are listed is a moot point what your getting and the quality of the final item is the most important issue.. SIG lists the Mosquito but don't actually make it as an example..
 
I have a Colt made by Walther, put a set of Hogue grips on it and like it a lot. Showed it to a buddy of mine who has a GSG and he said the sights on the Colt were a lot better than on the GSG. You will pay more for the Colt,
 
Advantage Arms builds good 1911 conversion kits, much better than the GSGs. I got mine from Irunguns. Police Ordnance also carries them.
 
I have been researching this one as well as i await my rpal , one of my first will be a 22
1911 i have landed on the sig 1911 22 , made by gsg so the gsg is fine as well
just a little extra cool imo as it says sig on it and its probably the only sig i will ever be able to afford
safe shooting
 
well, I guess I'm being nitpicky, but both the Colt and the GSG 1911's turn me off as they don't disassemble like a true 1911.

for the AA kit, is there any particular 1911 they recommend you use?

and lastly, who's got stock? ;)
 
Mr. Friendly said:
well, I guess I'm being nitpicky, but both the Colt and the GSG 1911's turn me off as they don't disassemble like a true 1911.

for the AA kit, is there any particular 1911 they recommend you use?

and lastly, who's got stock? ;)
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This will be the case with any of the .22 versions of the 1911. That's because the .22 versions are all direct blowback while the proper 1911 is a delayed blowback. And since the barrel in a direct blowback ends up being fixed to the lower frame the guns are not going to field strip in the same manner.

So regardless of what you do a .22 version of a 1911, or any center fire handgun for that matter, is going to break down differently than the original. Even if it's a conversion kit on a .45acp lower the top end will strip off and break down differently.

By all rights the Kimber should be a nicer pistol. But the last time I asked about the Canadian price on a Kimber 1911-22 it was $1100. And that was back about 6 or 7 years ago when we had a strong dollar. These days? I could likely buy three GSG's for the cost of one Kimber.
 
hey BCR, I haven't looked up any video'son the AA kit and how it takes down, but my Browning 1911-22-A1 takes down exactly like a true 1911. it's smaller size may be why that's possible, but on the flip side, it does cost more than the others (excluding the Kimber), so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible if another company put their mind to it like Browning and Kimber did.
 
The GSG has a couple of extra pins and a couple of odd ways of doing things such as the ejector attached to the barrel. But really they are not big deals to my 1911 sensibilities. If I want proper 1911's that break down like proper 1911's are supposed to break down I'll get my center fire models out.

The size most certainly does play a part. The GSG has a few more parts in it And two of the key ones are the extra two pins that along with the slide stop are used to retain the rear of the barrel. I suspect that they use these extra pins for reasons of avoiding wear and beating to the one hole for the cast frame. These GSG's are cheaper than your Browning because they use the cast Zamak style alloy after all. So by using two additional pins it spreads the force of the recoil impulse into more metal and the frame can share the load without being beaten up. The Browning likely uses a higher and better grade of alloy in their frame. Or is it steel? Does a magnet stick to your Browning's lower frame?

Consider the price point. We get a darn nice and full size 1911 clone which has to have some slight changes from being exactly like a "proper" 1911 because it's made from materials that allows it to sell for $400. If it needs those changes to meet that sort of price point and prove out to be as reliable as it has been I gotta say that I'm OK with that.

I'm also OK with the idea that a rimfire round is so different in size and power to even a mid size center fire round like a 9mm that the guns need to be significantly different to be optimized for each. So I'm fine with my S&W 422 and Model 41 and the two Ruger MK pistols I've got for now. These being purpose designed to work with rimfire ammo. That makes them different in a lot of ways. But for me that's OK.
 
BCRider said:
This will be the case with any of the .22 versions of the 1911. That's because the .22 versions are all direct blowback while the proper 1911 is a delayed blowback. And since the barrel in a direct blowback ends up being fixed to the lower frame the guns are not going to field strip in the same manner.

So regardless of what you do a .22 version of a 1911, or any center fire handgun for that matter, is going to break down differently than the original. Even if it's a conversion kit on a .45acp lower the top end will strip off and break down differently.
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If you get the kit from BLS that uses a coned thread cap on the GSG 1911 it gets rid of the screw that holds the barrel in place. Acts the same as my 1911 .45ACP now.
 
BCRider said:
This will be the case with any of the .22 versions of the 1911. That's because the .22 versions are all direct blowback while the proper 1911 is a delayed blowback. And since the barrel in a direct blowback ends up being fixed to the lower frame the guns are not going to field strip in the same manner.

So regardless of what you do a .22 version of a 1911, or any center fire handgun for that matter, is going to break down differently than the original. Even if it's a conversion kit on a .45acp lower the top end will strip off and break down differently.

By all rights the Kimber should be a nicer pistol. But the last time I asked about the Canadian price on a Kimber 1911-22 it was $1100. And that was back about 6 or 7 years ago when we had a strong dollar. These days? I could likely buy three GSG's for the cost of one Kimber.
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I didn't know the 1911 is a delayed blow back? Pistols like a Savage 1907, where the barrel has to rotate so many degrees prior to the slide moving rearward on firing is a true delayed blow back...the lugs locking the barrel to the slide on a 1911 is not delayed.
 
05RAV said:
The GSG 1911 is a 100% size of the Colt 1911. The Browning .22 is only 75% of the size of the Colt 1911. For me it's a sort of disqualifying factor. That's why I opted for the GSG 1911. On top of it, the Browning is nearly $200 more expensive than the GSG 1911 which is much too much.
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Further to my post above, in order to clarify a few misconceptions about the 1911-type pistols in 22LR, a comparison of the specifications for the three 22LR pistols, most closely resembling the Colt 1911, are shown in table below. I excluded the Walther/Umarex Colt 1911 because it has a fixed barrel (blowback) which is completely different than the Colt 1911. Also, the Sig Sauer 1911-22 is a just re-branded GSG 1911 and has nothing to do with Sig Sauer.

Colt 1911A1 GSG 1911-22 Kimber Rimfire Super Browning 1911-22
Barrel length: 5” 5” 5” 4.3”
Height: 5.5” 5.5” 5.25” 4.6”
Length: 8.6” 8.6” 8.7” 7.3”
Weight: 37.9 oz 34.4 oz 23 oz 15.5 oz

The only 1911-22 pistol with a weight nearly identical to the Colt 1911 is the GSG 1911. Both the Kimber and Browning are very light especially the latter. A higher weight of the GSG 1911 is due to its zinc-aluminium frame. The GSG’s slide is made of aluminum alloy. The Kimber and the Browning have the aluminum frame and slide. The Browning is much smaller than the Colt 1911 and the other two contenders. This is the biggest failure of the Browning.
All three disassemble like the Colt 1911 although the GSG 1911 has an extra slide and a barrel pin to be removed. In my GSG 1911 I installed the ZRTS Ultimate Performance Package (from Blue Line Solutions). It comes with a stainless steel full length guide rod, an aluminum alloy slide alignment cone (SAC), a stainless steel bushing and an aluminum alloy plug. With this package a barrel screw is not needed and is removed. The package improves the performance of the GSG 1911 by at least 50%. Fact of the matter, it adds up about $100 to the initial price which pushes the GSG into the realm of $500 pistols. To put it into perspective, the Kimber Rimfire Super costs $1,200. Is the Kimber a $700 dollar better pistol than the GSG with the ZRTS Package? Not at all.
I was shooting my GSG yesterday and it worked flawlessly with CCI Mini Mag, Federal Champion, Blazer, Aquila Super Extra, American Eagle, Federal Auto Match and Remington Target (Eley). Not even one problem noticed. It was absolutely smooth. At 25 yards, using a plastic pistol support (quite crappy) the Federal Auto Match ammo gave me a consistent 1.5-2.0” grouping. Surprisingly, CCI Mini Mag was worse, around 2.5-3”. However, I’ll do more tests with a better pistol support to confirm those, rather preliminary, results.
 
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