Finnish Mosin-Nagant M-39

I wish I could remember. But I can't. I bought it mail order some time ago and I know it wasn't from S+K. And its a great, rock solid, all-steel mount made in USA. But that is all I know. I'll get a close-up picture of it up soon and maybe someone will recognize the maker.
jeanlikethis said:
Where did you get the Swedish scope mount? Any closer pic of it? Thanks.
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Maybe. I used to believe in your theory but when I see the huge interest in (especially Finnish) Mosin-Nagants south of the border (for example: http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?3-The-Collector-s-Forum-Mosin-Nagant-HQ) I wonder if there isn't more to it. A lot of the American collectors are very far from being beginners. Being attracted to the accuracy of the Finns as opposed to the other M-Ns makes sense, plus the compelling "David and Goliath" myth of the Finland vs Russia wars. And then there is the fact that all Finns are parts guns, which leads to an incredibly complicated world of various metal stampings and stock markings, which is only surpassed by the Lee-Enfield complex. That leads to endless collectibility.

I notice the long established Sako collectors forum has just opened a new sub-forum to deal specifically with Sako assembled Finnish Mosin-Nagant military rifles.

By the way, I agree with you on the M28/30...A couple of decades back, I had a real nice one with an excellent bore and wish I still had it.


Eaglelord17 said:
I think it has a fair bit to do with most people who are starting on milsurps starting with Mosin Nagants, then hearing about the 'best' Mosin which according to the majority of the internet is the M39 (I am personally in the M28/30 camp). Most of the buyers are uneducated, and as such don't know what the price should be (I have seen this trend with many milsurps, like Lee Enfields, and M1 Garands). It isn't even all Mosin Nagants, just specific models. M44 because they are a carbine with a bayonet. M39s because they are the 'best'. Well other things like the SCW M91/30 which has been listed for a while, and at a more than fair price has been sitting for a while because it is a M91/30.
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Rob said:
Maybe. I used to believe in your theory but when I see the huge interest in (especially Finnish) Mosin-Nagants south of the border (for example: http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?3-The-Collector-s-Forum-Mosin-Nagant-HQ) I wonder if there isn't more to it. A lot of the American collectors are very far from being beginners. Being attracted to the accuracy of the Finns as opposed to the other M-Ns makes sense, plus the compelling "David and Goliath" myth of the Finland vs Russia wars. And then there is the fact that all Finns are parts guns, which leads to an incredibly complicated world of various metal stampings and stock markings, which is only surpassed by the Lee-Enfield complex. That leads to endless collectibility.

I notice the long established Sako collectors forum has just opened a new sub-forum to deal specifically with Sako assembled Finnish Mosin-Nagant military rifles.

By the way, I agree with you on the M28/30...A couple of decades back, I had a real nice one with an excellent bore and wish I still had it.
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I am not saying Mosin Nagants are bad or anything, I personally own 5, however just the prices being razed due to people not understanding the value. For example about a year ago you could get a M39 for 400$ all day. Now your lucky if they are 600$ and many people are paying more simply due to the demand. Many people I know who are just shooters want a M39 because they were told they were the best shooter (they are good shooters). Look at Arisakas the prices shot up after the Pacific was made, because the demand all of a sudden increased dramatically, and those buying didn't know what they were worth at the time, they just wanted one.

However most people don't know if you actually shoot quality ammo out of any Mosin Nagant with a great bore you will get great results. The other day my one buddy did about a 1.5-2" grouping with a wartime production M91/30 rifle and handloads. We actually don't even shoot surplus out of our rifles anymore as the grouping increase dramatically, plus you have to deal with the corrosive ammo.

Mosin Nagants are a great rifle to collect as they are one of the few which show there history clearly. Tons of different stampings, capture markings, manufacturers, and models. However there isn't a infinite amount of models (like Mausers) so you can actually keep your collection focused.
 
superbee said:
Where can you buy M39's for $600.00?I can't find any for sale anywhere.
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One sold on the EE a few days ago for $400. Don't pay the currently inflated prices that a few gougers have been peddling to take advantage of the recent spike in demand. Give it a year.
 
bp2626 said:
One sold on the EE a few days ago for $400. Don't pay the currently inflated prices that a few gougers have been peddling to take advantage of the recent spike in demand. Give it a year.
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The guy that had it listed for $400 actually sold it for more , I know this because i had a deal with him to buy it then he backed out when he got offers for higher by PM. Took a higher offer after the fact.
Anyway , I didn't and don't think these rifles should garner that much. I agree with you , inflated prices for sure.
 
superbee said:
Where can you buy M39's for $600.00?I can't find any for sale anywhere.
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Private sale, just wait and be patient. Everyone is in the must have now mindset. Unless your dying of cancer or something you don't need it immediately, just wait it out and it will come and at a reasonable price.

From personal experience, everything I want immediately and bought, I either ended up selling at a loss, or selling it as it wasn't what I actually wanted (very few exceptions to this). Now I just have a list of things I want, as I don't know when things will appear or at what price (kinda what you need to do with items which haven't been sold at stores for 50+years). For this list, I don't mind paying a bit more than what its worth provided it is exactly what I am looking for (as I know I am not going to be selling it).

sigrunes said:
The guy that had it listed for $400 actually sold it for more , I know this because i had a deal with him to buy it then he backed out when he got offers for higher by PM. Took a higher offer after the fact.
Anyway , I didn't and don't think these rifles should garner that much. I agree with you , inflated prices for sure.
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That is scummy. It is also scummy of people to offer more than what was asked to try and get the person to back out of a deal. I have personally made poor deals because it is what I agreed to and my word is worth more than a couple bucks.

I suspect in coming years this will become the standard price. Once everyone and there dog has bought one at the inflated price, they won't willing to sell it for less than the inflated price, and the inflated price becomes the standard price. The only things that could make a big difference is if 7.62x54r surplus becomes non-existent (as then less people will be dealing with Mosin Nagants, as without that cheap ammo its either reload or pay the same price as say .303), and people doing there research. I suspect the first option will happen before the second one does.
 
bp2626 said:
One sold on the EE a few days ago for $400. Don't pay the currently inflated prices that a few gougers have been peddling to take advantage of the recent spike in demand. Give it a year.
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... and pay twice what is market price now :)
The fact that M39 is really not the rarest model of Finnish MNs can't beat the fact ppl are crazy about it and ready to pay premium. So with no new imports what would reduce the prices in one year, i.e. no supply with steady demand?
 
sigrunes said:
The guy that had it listed for $400 actually sold it for more , I know this because i had a deal with him to buy it then he backed out when he got offers for higher by PM. Took a higher offer after the fact.
Anyway , I didn't and don't think these rifles should garner that much. I agree with you , inflated prices for sure.
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Lol. Me too. I stopped bidding at $500.
 
It is honestly quite sad, I really hope he sees ends up reading these comments and seeing what others think about that type of behavior. The only time I ever backed out of a deal I specifically asked the other party if they would accept it. If they had said no, I would have carried on with the deal as it was what I agreed to.
 
In my case the seller initially advised that although I was the first to pm, he was selling to someone else who was cheaper to ship to, I stopped sending pm's once I saw where things were headed.

The old house seller technique. Advertise low, sell high. No thanks.
 
sigrunes said:
The guy that had it listed for $400 actually sold it for more , I know this because i had a deal with him to buy it then he backed out when he got offers for higher by PM. Took a higher offer after the fact.
Anyway , I didn't and don't think these rifles should garner that much. I agree with you , inflated prices for sure.
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You should leave him a NEGATIVE TRADER RATING. The EE isn't supposed to be used as an auction site. I would definitely report this to the mods and again, leave a negative rating.

All that does is show a poor lack of ethics.
 
Definite lack of ethics I agree. I considered leaving a neutral just to let people know he backs out on deals but he probably wouldn't care and really life goes on.
But I do agree with you Bear.
 
Alright, since I really have no clue about Finnish mosin's is there a web site that explains helps identify the rifles. As, I have a VKT produced mosin and want to find out more about it and I'm also potentially looking at selling it (maybe!).
R711
 
R711 said:
Alright, since I really have no clue about Finnish mosin's is there a web site that explains helps identify the rifles. As, I have a VKT produced mosin and want to find out more about it and I'm also potentially looking at selling it (maybe!).
R711
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Get ready to be swamped with PM's, lol.

Mind you M-39's are like Jungle Carbines that can shoot...in the fact that they are the last of the line. That might explain it?
 
We should not make the already inflated price even higher but I would believe the following:

1. with time goes on, there will be less and less "decent" conditioned M39.
2. it will take a long time for 7.62x54R to dry out as it is still used as service rounds in Russia and China.
3. people purchased at high price might not let it go with a low price, they just hold onto it and those small amount on sale will be still facing a hungry market
4. It is not produced in big numbers, less than K31 as I know. Finnish fine gun smith may not be inferior to Swiss ones, more desirable to mass produced Russia cousin.
5. if you don't have one in hand you can only wish what you wished to happen and it may not happen at all.

So, if you see one in your budget range, get it. You might be regretting paying a little bit high but you would enjoy touching it every time you want to.
 
superbee said:
Here is some info:

http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/finnish_mosin_nagantm39.asp
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and here:

http://7.62x54r.net/

and here:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?513537-Classics-remaining-M39-s

Note the above remarks about the latest (last?) shipment of M-39s. Because, like "location" in real estate, "condition" is everything in firearms collecting it seems difficult to come up with a standard price for an M-39. Like any other firearm, the beaters will remain at their relatively low (?) purchase price forever (or even dip down a bit) and those few rifles in great condition will continue to steadily escalate in value. Just check out the Winchester world sometime. Unless it is a very rare model, there is an immense and steadily growing gap between a vintage Winchester in average shape and the same model in vg-excellent condition. Consider that, south of the line, the real beater M-39s are now going for nearly $400 (and thats in US dollars!!! Here is one story from the above link:..."got one (from Classics) a couple weeks ago and was very disappointed in the condition. Top handguard is cracked the full length and the stock looks like it was used as a hammer. The barrel is very pitted with weak rifling...." That rifle will likely never be worth much more than he paid for it, possibly even less. And because of the crappy bore he can't even use it as much of a shooter.)

But if you are waiting for the few v.g.-excellent condition M-39s to drop in price, I think you are in for a very long wait.
 
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