Norinco NP-22 or Sig 226?

redleg said:
And all SIG frames were reengineered as a result. So frames with serial numbers above U200,000 don't suffer from the same problems. SIG also recommends changing the springs every 5,000rds which is a good policy for any gun.

I have run half a dozen P226s to approximately 100,000rds on the range. The norincos never get close.
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That would mean approx. 16.5 thousand rounds per gun.
I believe that.
Yet the NP 22 that I bought last year has now reached 9000 rounds, also
with help from wife and local RCMP. Still the same shape. So far-so good.
Should it brake down I shall mention it in this forum and with details.
If I can, I would like to shoot it to pieces before the warranty year is over.
Just to settle the question for myself.
By the way, I am very pleased to tell you that my "forced" experiment with
a steel insert into the right frame rail (original broke off) still works very well
It proves one thing: The Sig Sauer does as well with only half the right
frame rail and doesn't seem to depend on the total rail length for accuracy.
You wished me well for my "experiment" . It happened, thank you .
 
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Norinco vs. SIG? LOL Funny!

First of all this is like comparing a Lada to a Porsche. These guns are not even on the same wavelength. I know from personal experiance that a Norinco will not come close to the quality of a SIG. My buddy bought a Norinco and shot it for a couple months, and it was decent for a plinking gun. But if you want a serious firearm, go SIG. I know of two SIGs that see at least 200,000 rnds per year and have been in service going on 3 years. Barrels have been replaced, and so have the springs. Any gun that sees that sort of use will require such work... but beyond that they work like new.

I thought all sorts of guns were better, but after the punishment and abuse a SIG will take and it's ability to keep going... well I would be willing to bet my welfare on a SIG anyday.

Can't beat the swiss when it comes to watches, guns and knives!
 
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CanadianAce said:
I know of two SIGs that see at least 250,000 rnds per year and have been in service going on 3 years.
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WOW!! Whose guns are these? The Department of Homeland Security procurement testers? Or do you mean 25,000 per year?

Frankly, 25,000 per year is a huge amount of rounds. It's like taking your gun out to the range every Saturday and putting 480 rounds through it.

In the cheapest SIG 226 calibre (9mm) factory rounds now cost about $120 for 500, or about 24 cents each. If you shoot 480 rounds a week that is like $115. For the year (25,000) the bill would be $6,000

Your guns that you mention are 10 times those numbers. 250,000 rounds is 4,807 every Saturday ($1,153), or 685 rounds every single day ($165) or $60,000 for the year. Three years of shooting like that: $180,000 per gun. Two guns: $360,000 in ammo in just 3 years.

Somebody is either reloading like a demon in a basement somewhere, or is single handedly keeping the ammo sellers in the black!

A rental gun on a range might see these kinds of numbers. Redleg is the man to comment on that. I'm a huge fan of SIG pistols, but if these guns withstand this many rounds then they are even tougher than I thought.
 
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If the norc was every bit as good as the original, then it too would cost over $1000. I, myself just bought a Norc NP-40 for 1/2 the price of its orginal CZ counterpart. With the money I saved, I am going to buy a Norc 1911A1. I don't intend on firing 1,000,000 rounds a year. So the longetivity of the pistol is moot. I don't need or want a pistol that will live longer than I will.

You can drive your Ferrarri and I will drive my GM. Will you get to work any faster thru bumper to bumper traffic? NOPE :eek:
We will both reach our destinations at the same time. Only I will have $270,000 more in my bank account.

All this GUN SNOB crap is well, just that... CRAP. :bsFlag:

Is a Norc inferior to its original counterpart... PROBABLY. But if that inferiority is "Acceptable" then whois to point a finger?

BTW, I have driven a Ferrarri, great handling, LOTS of power, interior finish SUCKS for lack of a better word. But you get that cool little horse logo on the outside.

Sometimes these threads remind me of a bunch of kids who are hooked on "Brand Labels"... I'm wearing Tommy Hillfiger and your wearing the WalMart brand, oh poo on you!:sucks:
 
Griffoneur,
I do not agree with you. You can paint everything with that type of analogy, almost like my local union, saying we are all same.... right, we are, but not same :)
I have two 1911 pistol, I love them both. One is Springfield Loaded single stack, and other is STI Edge, I do not have to say loaded.
The difference is even visible to 11 year old kid. Springfield costed 1300 bucks, and Edge 2600. Is Edge 2x better gun, IMO it is, especially when you need to shoot fast and accurate and have all parts working and not jamming.

If you like your Norinco, all power to You my friend, but do not say about others when they spend more money on gun that they are snobs, because They can say that you are cheap, which I hope is not the true.

Greetings
 
PeterPan said:
Griffoneur,
I do not agree with you. You can paint everything with that type of analogy, almost like my local union, saying we are all same.... right, we are, but not same :)
I have two 1911 pistol, I love them both. One is Springfield Loaded single stack, and other is STI Edge, I do not have to say loaded.
The difference is even visible to 11 year old kid. Springfield costed 1300 bucks, and Edge 2600. Is Edge 2x better gun, IMO it is, especially when you need to shoot fast and accurate and have all parts working and not jamming.

If you like your Norinco, all power to You my friend, but do not say about others when they spend more money on gun that they are snobs, because They can say that you are cheap, which I hope is not the true.

Greetings
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Quality has a price. In general when we pay more, we get a better quality product. I am all for buyinng the "real deal" if you so desire and can afford it.

Is your $2600 1911 a better quality pistol than the $350 Norc 1911? ... you better believe it is. The point I was trying to make is that those who own the "real deal" should NOT adopt a condescending attitude toward those who do not possess the top of the line version of whatever version firearm.

It is simply "Brand Label" snobism in many cases. I own a Harley, but I can appreciate those who own other makes. Yes, many Harley owners are SNOBS and look down on all non-Harley motorcycles, but that doesn't make it right either.

Most Norc owners will agree that the "originals" Sigs, CZ's, Colt's etc., are vastly superior to their Chinese knockoffs. That however doesn't warrent all the bashing that goes on in these forums.

I recently purchased an SKS cause it looks "mean". Having read all the SKS bashing, I was just hoping to be able to hit the target anywhere at 50 yds. Its probably the cheapest firearm on the market! Let, me tell you, I must have got a mutant version cause the accuracy of my SKS is almost unbelievable. VERY tight groups at 50yds... waiting for scope mount cause I can't see S..t at 100yds without a scope. Still can't believe I can shoot like that with an SKS! :eek:

BTW, if you ever want to trade your Springfield or STI for my Norc, I will seriously consider it! :D
 
Here is why I like Norinco. My poor university student buddy wanted to join CPCA. He loves the SIG P226, but his budget for the pistol, mags, retention holster, belt and ammo was 700 dollars. If he was a gun snob he could have bought a used P226 AND NOTHING ELSE. Instead he got a NIB Norinco P226 clone with 4 magazines, a belt, retention holster, mag pouch and 1250 rounds of ammo from Canadian BDX. The gun looks pretty good, shoots great and got one more pistol into the hands of a brand new owner.
 
exactley, I can`t believe the amount of people that bash norinco and don`t own one nor ever had but own the real deal and say trash. If it wasn`t for norinco and few other manufactures there would be alot less new people getting into the sport.
 
A wise man once said “Go big or go home.” Whether that translates into a dollar value is a personal question for the buyer. $400 will not break the bank for most abide enthusiasts, $800 to $1200 might. But what the wife don’t know, can’t hurt. Unless she answers the door when the delivery guy knocks. Then I’ll need the more reliable “real deal”…..
 
My next purchase will probably be a used or refurbished 226, however, if the Norinco had a rail, i would definately not hesitate to buy one.
I don't believe that the Sig, or a lot of other guns justify a 1000+ price for a gun just to take to the range and put holes in paper.
Now if my life depended on it, and i was at the range honing my skills for defence in the line of duty, the reason for the price would be justified.
 
I Norinco had a rail ?

gobrob said:
My next purchase will probably be a used or refurbished 226, however, if the Norinco had a rail, i would definately not hesitate to buy one.
I don't believe that the Sig, or a lot of other guns justify a 1000+ price for a gun just to take to the range and put holes in paper.
Now if my life depended on it, and i was at the range honing my skills for defence in the line of duty, the reason for the price would be justified.
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Yes, Norinco has rails, exactly like the original.
I own a SIG 226 for many years and enjoyed it until it quit.
I have 2 more well used Norincos NP22 and very happy with them so far.
Steady Norinco "bashing" ? I am not surprised.
Definitively no "inferior complex" by owning one.
I use the STAR press to load my own and mostly with my own hard cast bullets. 1100 fps.
I can afford to shoot an awful lot.
 
I have not seen one Norinco with rails. I had the NP-22 and didn't have any. Do you have pictures of this beast?
 
Wouldn't it make sense that alot of the price difference between Norinco Clones and the real deals is due to the markets they are built in (labour costs, material availabilty, work force, labour costs, etc.)? One, would be hard pressed to find a 1911 clone for under $800 brand new in Canada, unless of course you buy a Norinco for $350-450 brand new. I admit my newbi-ish-ness when it come's to the .45 as I have only ever shot my Norinco and my Buddies Kimber Custom II, however I felt that in shot for shot compairisons the two were fairly similar in performance. I wish I had the stats to back me up but alas all I have is my honest opinion.

Also I hear that Norinco uses a different steel for thier slides (5100 tool grade as opposed to 4140 ordinance grade), and I think this might have alot to do with price as well, however I could be horribly mistaken.

I just dont see the justification for buying the name for and extra $400-800 dollars.
 
I bought mine in nov, I have it "tweaked" a bit new grips some polishing and after moving the sights a bit i have no problem "keyhole at 20 I am going to get a buffer for it.
 
Other than $$$ being an issue,
I fail to see how these two guns can even
be compared on the same line.
Didn't someone say; kitcar. . , Ferrari. . .
 
I have really been considering a norinco for my next 9mm, but i don't see any models with rails.
I want to be able to add the 'Toys'......
I think everyone will agree that the Sig is superior in build, fit and finish, but like i stated, for punching holes in paper, i don't see much problem with the Norc...... when you pull the trigger it goes bang...... but if i was at the range EVERY week, putting a few thousand rounds through every couple months, i'd go with the better build of the Sig.......
My gun i count on is my .45 STI RangerII, but if i wanted a gun to 'play with' at the range, i certainly wouldn't pay the dough for the SIG, i'd pick out the norc......
Oh well, everyone has there opinion, and mine has been stated.......

If i could get the norc with a rail, i'd buy one tomorrow.........
 
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I know it sounds unreal... but its true!

CanadianAce said:
I know of two SIGs that see at least 200,000 rnds per year and have been in service going on 3 years.
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This gun is a public range gun and yeah it does really see that kind of use. If anything that count is conservative. It is disgusting the amount of ammo (and money) that passes through the poor thing. But man does it stand up to the abuse! Like most things in life, you pay for what you get.

gobrob said:
I don't believe that the Sig, or a lot of other guns justify a 1000+ price for a gun just to take to the range and put holes in paper.
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Dude you have a P99 as your picture! Talk about expensive hole punchers! Sorry gobrob had to bug you about this comment. (PS. I have one too. LOL)
 
I've handled NP-22 and it looked like a hell of a deal for the money, and if they lasted as long as Sigs do it would be a clear winner considering the price. But from what I've read here they don't last that long (only 2-10K)...

One, would be hard pressed to find a 1911 clone for under $800 brand new in Canada, unless of course you buy a Norinco for $350-450 brand new
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Try Taurus PT1911 ;) they should be in Canada any time now :)
 
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