Where'd the Howa 1500 375 Ruger go?

remington jim said:
Pretty SURE the 375 ruger will be a DINO in the next 5 years - The 375 H&H is still By FAR the KING ! ;) RJ
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Pretty sure it wont, as it is the better caliber in a cheaper platform. Now that everyone knows about blowing out .300wm brass, there is no shortage of good brass. Dude, the main reason that the .375 H & H isn't in everyone's gun locker is that 1) the guns are usually too expensive for the average Joe to afford. 2) brass is damn expensive
3) ammo availability is not great outside the big cities. 4) It is usually chambered in a big , unweildy, gun with a long barrel that just doesn't fit a lot of people well. The 26" barrel on most H & H guns is just not what people want these days. Plus it's a magnum length action. Too many DINOSAUR reasons to stay on top. The .375 Ruger is the new Alpha Male Dino on the block.
 
sgt.rock said:
Pretty sure it wont, as it is the better caliber in a cheaper platform. Now that everyone knows about blowing out .300wm brass, there is no shortage of good brass. Dude, the main reason that the .375 H & H isn't in everyone's gun locker is that 1) the guns are usually too expensive for the average Joe to afford. 2) brass is damn expensive
3) ammo availability is not great outside the big cities. 4) It is usually chambered in a big , unweildy, gun with a long barrel that just doesn't fit a lot of people well. The 26" barrel on most H & H guns is just not what people want these days. Plus it's a magnum length action. Too many DINOSAUR reasons to stay on top. The .375 Ruger is the new Alpha Male Dino on the block.
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Having owned and used a 375 H&H since the early 1970s and also by owning three different rifles in 375 Ruger I have to say this statement is total BS.
1. There is almost no difference if any in the price of rifles.
2. I have found 375 Ruger brass to be more costly, that is if you can find it.
3. 375 H&H ammunition is easier to find by far than Ruger.
4.My old 375 H&H is lighter and better balanced than my three 375 Ruger chambered rifles were and there are lots of equally weighted and balanced rifles in both chamberings.
No need for a magnum length action, my old Browning is the same action as a 30-06, lots of 375 H&Hs on Mauser actions out there.

Believe what makes you feel good, sorry I know the truth..
 
sgt.rock said:
Pretty sure it wont, as it is the better caliber in a cheaper platform. Now that everyone knows about blowing out .300wm brass, there is no shortage of good brass. Dude, the main reason that the .375 H & H isn't in everyone's gun locker is that 1) the guns are usually too expensive for the average Joe to afford. 2) brass is damn expensive
3) ammo availability is not great outside the big cities. 4) It is usually chambered in a big , unweildy, gun with a long barrel that just doesn't fit a lot of people well. The 26" barrel on most H & H guns is just not what people want these days. Plus it's a magnum length action. Too many DINOSAUR reasons to stay on top. The .375 Ruger is the new Alpha Male Dino on the block.
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Spoiling for a scrap are yah?!
I figure at the end of the day brass can be amortized over a bunch of firings and dies are about the same cost. Bullets are the same and they use about the same amount of powder so that's a draw. Looking at it without bias they are fairly equal, so pick the rifle you want and go have fun!
 
Omenator said:
Spoiling for a scrap are yah?!
I figure at the end of the day brass can be amortized over a bunch of firings and dies are about the same cost. Bullets are the same and they use about the same amount of powder so that's a draw. Looking at it without bias they are fairly equal, so pick the rifle you want and go have fun!
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Nah, Remington Jim started it with the dig at the .375 Ruger, so I fired a shot across the bow. Nothing to see here. Move along.
 
sgt.rock said:
Pretty sure it wont, as it is the better caliber in a cheaper platform. Now that everyone knows about blowing out .300wm brass, there is no shortage of good brass. Dude, the main reason that the .375 H & H isn't in everyone's gun locker is that 1) the guns are usually too expensive for the average Joe to afford. 2) brass is damn expensive
3) ammo availability is not great outside the big cities. 4) It is usually chambered in a big , unweildy, gun with a long barrel that just doesn't fit a lot of people well. The 26" barrel on most H & H guns is just not what people want these days. Plus it's a magnum length action. Too many DINOSAUR reasons to stay on top. The .375 Ruger is the new Alpha Male Dino on the block.
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Most factory H&H's don't have 26" barrels, in fact very few do. The CZ's have 25.6" and while they are one of the more common factory rifles they would be one of the few that comes close to that as a standard barrel length offering.
Also, who makes readily available factory ammo for the Ruger? How many companies worldwide make ammo for the H&H? For the latter it is made as standard production ammo by companies from Serbia to Germany to Czech Republic to Sweden to the US to South Africa, and more.

The Ruger is very good and very practical cartridge that I really like but it is a stretch to claim it as vastly superior. It simply isn't.
 
Kevan said:
Having owned and used a 375 H&H since the early 1970s and also by owning three different rifles in 375 Ruger I have to say this statement is total BS.
1. There is almost no difference if any in the price of rifles.
2. I have found 375 Ruger brass to be more costly, that is if you can find it.
3. 375 H&H ammunition is easier to find by far than Ruger.
4.My old 375 H&H is lighter and better balanced than my three 375 Ruger chambered rifles were and there are lots of equally weighted and balanced rifles in both chamberings.
No need for a magnum length action, my old Browning is the same action as a 30-06, lots of 375 H&Hs on Mauser actions out there.

Believe what makes you feel good, sorry I know the truth..
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Kevan,

even long time ago for the number 2 you got some from Whitehorse ....

Phil
 
for me the debate is over as a lefty there is only two affordable options zastava 375hh or hawkeye 375 ruger. good luck to find one 375hh so it was ruger that win.
 
medvedqc said:
Kevan,

even long time ago for the number 2 you got some from Whitehorse ....

Phil
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Yes, because at that time there was none available in the Lower Mainland, believe me I checked every single store, made a list and phoned every one.
Otherwise, I would never have bothered you.
I'm done with this debate also..
 
kayaker1 said:
Most factory H&H's don't have 26" barrels, in fact very few do. The CZ's have 25.6" and while they are one of the more common factory rifles they would be one of the few that comes close to that as a standard barrel length offering.
Also, who makes readily available factory ammo for the Ruger? How many companies worldwide make ammo for the H&H? For the latter it is made as standard production ammo by companies from Serbia to Germany to Czech Republic to Sweden to the US to South Africa, and more.

The Ruger is very good and very practical cartridge that I really like but it is a stretch to claim it as vastly superior. It simply isn't.
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Only Hornady and DoibleTap make ammo presently. Ammo and brass are usually readily available. It was even availsble at the last gun show in the Lower Mainland.
 
Kevan said:
Yes, because at that time there was none available in the Lower Mainland, believe me I checked every single store, made a list and phoned every one.
Otherwise, I would never have bothered you.
I'm done with this debate also..
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sorry didnt want to bother you also. wont post again under your posts ...
 
bcsteve said:
And Nosler.
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Let me say this again............Nosler does NOT manufacture brass............They buy, sort and prep it, they do not make it...........Nosler brass is Hornady brass when it comes to the 375 Imposter.

I refuse to be drawn into this discussion again..........I have made my opinion known many times, I needn't state again, as it hasn't changed. Your counterpoints are all valid Kevan and were my thoughts exactly, upon reading Sgt Rock's misinformed dissertation.
 
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c-fbmi said:
Let me say this again............Nosler does NOT manufacture brass............They buy, sort and prep it, they do not make it...........Nosler brass is Hornady brass when it comes to the 375 Imposter.

I refuse to be drawn into this discussion again..........I have made my opinion known many times, I needn't state again, as it hasn't changed. Your counterpoints are all valid Kevan and were my thoughts exactly, upon reading Sgt Rock's misinformed dissertation.
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Try to keep up ;), the discussion was about factory ammo for the .375 Ruger. Gatehouse said Hornady and Double Tap. I added, Nosler (who makes factory ammo for the .375 Ruger).
 
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