opinions please on the 358 Win

[heronfish]

The problem is, I have shot deer at 15' and over 450 yds with the same load in the 280 Remington with 140 gr bullets at 3000 fps. You will struggle to do the same with what you are saying has a definite niche. In theory a rifle collector has an argument. In practice a hunter knows better.

Your best bet here is to educate all hunters out there using outdated rifles that they must hurry up and sell their obsolete weaponry, because there are millions out there who haven't been brought up to speed on this new information.
And geez, you're using a 280...thats uses an outdated 30-06 case. Heck, it only took less than a decade for the belted magnum to make that old dinosaur outdated. And others have repeated the act in the last century. Best be buying yourself a 28 nosler until someone outdates that.

 

[cody c]

Where in the world is this "definite place"?

Where in the world is this "definite place"?

There's been some penetration tests where faster projectiles get less penetration than slower moving ones, I know there's one out there that for forestry or park wardens in the states that showed the 45-70 to have deeper penetration than the .458 Winchester, and some neat stuff about slower bullets traveling further in water to kinda visualize what goes on, also I think magnum velocities will hydro shock and gel a lot of meat and tissue, where as something sub sonic like a heavy 45-70 round won't do that so much on entry, but still be able to plow through a shoulder bone.

It seems counterintuitive, but compare entry and exit wounds from a 300 win mag or similar sometime, I've seen entry holes that seem to be bigger then exits, and though there is more tissue damage at entry, it's all kind of an apples to oranges comparison to fat and slow rounds.

 

[hoytcanon]

So where is the 358 Win superior to the 35 Whelen?

Who is comparing the .358 to the Whelen???

I can compare the .257 Wby to a .45/70... in the Eastern forest for whitetail and blackbears and perhaps for western blacktails in thick timber, I would personally prefer the .45/70.

How is it that you feel you can set the parameters of this discussion? Your mind is closed... you know you are right... always... ergo, this is a waste of time.

For those others... there are many times that I would choose a larger bore and slower bullet over a small diameter blistering fast load... even for a specific rifle, I rarely choose the lightest bullet available.

 

[BigUglyMan]

And by and large completely outdated.

So are carburetors, but they still work pretty well.

 

[heronfish]

I'd personally love to own a 358. Flat shooting enough for my requirements, moderate enough recoil and power on the receiving end. A very good mix.

 

[theshootist]

I think the 358 Win might be great with cast bullets as well. If only I had more time to play.

 

[bunny]

I love my .358 Frontier, 250 Hornady with 40 grains of IMR 4198 = sub MOA and kills Without excessive meat damage and shoots flat enough to 250 yards.

 

[Kevan]

That's a damned fine little rifle. I'd swap out the rings for a lower set, but that's me. Either way, that'd be a sweet-carrying little thumper. And all that in spite of the fact that it's not a 9.3.

The rings on it barely allow the bolt to clear the scope as it is.
9.3 ? I have one and rarely use it because I have a Whelen.
I have had three or four 9.3s, just couldn't warm up to them...

 

[cody c]

The rings on it barely allow the bolt to clear the scope as it is.
9.3 ? I have one and rarely use it because I have a Whelen.
I have had three or four 9.3s, just couldn't warm up to them...

Huh, why? What round and velocities were you shooting in either, what kind of hunting were you doing with either? (Thick bush, open country, white tail or elk or grizz)

 

[Gatehouse]

Especially for a handloader, In 2016, the only reason to go with a .358 for moose, deer and bear to 250 yards is if you WANT one. If you want a short action, a WSM will do everything a 358 will do and more. If you want a .308 based case, the 7-08 or .308 will do just as well as the .358, and have the added bonus of longer range, too.

Stick a 140-150 gr TTSX in the 708 or 308 and kill the hell out of your quarry. An yeah, this is from experience.

But if you just WANT a .358, go for it. Wouldn't be my first pick but that is why we have chocolate, vanilla AND strawberry ice cream.

 

[kamlooky]

Yeeeah butt, the .358win makes the big bear classification.
Not so on the wee'er ker-pows.
But you knew this, of course................right Clarkie?

 

[Prairie Plinker]

How is it that you feel you can set the parameters of this discussion? Your mind is closed... you know you are right... always... ergo, this is a waste of time.

For those others... there are many times that I would choose a larger bore and slower bullet over a small diameter blistering fast load... even for a specific rifle, I rarely choose the lightest bullet available.

I agree on both accounts!

 

[BigUglyMan]

The rings on it barely allow the bolt to clear the scope as it is.
9.3 ? I have one and rarely use it because I have a Whelen.
I have had three or four 9.3s, just couldn't warm up to them...

Must be the angle of the photo...rings look high. But the bolt does still need to open, you can't argue that.

Even though you aren't keen on the 9.3, I still like ya!

 

[Superbrad]

The problem is, I have shot deer at 15' and over 450 yds with the same load in the 280 Remington with 140 gr bullets at 3000 fps. You will struggle to do the same with what you are saying has a definite niche. In theory a rifle collector has an argument. In practice a hunter knows better.

You are picking and chosing and making a very poor argument...... As I said earlier, horses for courses.....

In chosing a rifle that will do 15 feet and 450 yards, IMOP you aren't chosing the best rifle for 15 feet.......

If you can only afford one rifle, or only want to own one rifle then the .358 is not for you because it's range is limited..... But for those that hunt lots and have lots of rifles to do different jobs, the .358, or another slow moving but bore has a spot.....

 

[heronfish]

You are picking and chosing and making a very poor argument...... As I said earlier, horses for courses.....

In chosing a rifle that will do 15 feet and 450 yards, IMOP you aren't chosing the best rifle for 15 feet.......

If you can only afford one rifle, or only want to own one rifle then the .358 is not for you because it's range is limited..... But for those that hunt lots and have lots of rifles to do different jobs, the .358, or another slow moving but bore has a spot.....

I don't think you're giving the 358 enough credit here. It's a perfectly deadly hunting round to 300 yards, so it's not like we are talking about a pop gun here. It's fully capable of reaching some distance.

 

[Superbrad]

I don't think you're giving the 358 enough credit here. It's a perfectly deadly hunting round to 300 yards, so it's not like we are talking about a pop gun here. It's fully capable of reaching some distance.

It is...... But the 450 Chuck mentioned is a long stretch....... And I don't think the .358 is the best tool for long range.....

 

[rokoro]

450 yds is a long stretch for most hunters and very few can hit anything at that range. I shot a Sav 99 in 358 for years. That was a moose killing little gun. Thought I wanted a bolt action 358 so I could seat those longer bullets out just a bit. Re-barreled a Tikka model 55 to 358.Still shoot the 200 bullets at deer in the bush but 225 Partitions seated out to take advantage of the slightly longer magazine is a perfect match. That little Tikka will be one of the last guns I part with.

 

[heronfish]

It is...... But the 450 Chuck mentioned is a long stretch....... And I don't think the .358 is the best tool for long range.....

Very true. 450 is a long stretch for anything though. There is a good article on Chuck Hawks where is states that one if the worst thing that can be said about the 358 is to call it a nice little bush cartridge, as it is so much more than that.

 

[chuck nelson]

You are picking and chosing and making a very poor argument...... As I said earlier, horses for courses.....

In chosing a rifle that will do 15 feet and 450 yards, IMOP you aren't chosing the best rifle for 15 feet.......

If you can only afford one rifle, or only want to own one rifle then the .358 is not for you because it's range is limited..... But for those that hunt lots and have lots of rifles to do different jobs, the .358, or another slow moving but bore has a spot.....

When I leave to go hunting in the morning I can't choose where and how long my shots will be. A rifle that will kill at 450 yds has zero problem killing at 15'. The reverse is not true in this case.

 

[chuck nelson]

450 yds is a long stretch for most hunters and very few can hit anything at that range. I shot a Sav 99 in 358 for years. That was a moose killing little gun. Thought I wanted a bolt action 358 so I could seat those longer bullets out just a bit. Re-barreled a Tikka model 55 to 358.Still shoot the 200 bullets at deer in the bush but 225 Partitions seated out to take advantage of the slightly longer magazine is a perfect match. That little Tikka will be one of the last guns I part with.

Some of us can make that shot handily.