Thanks, no doubt you're right. It is one of the early Remington Sevens with a gray Kevlar reinforced fibreglass stock. Ultra-light, at 5 pounds, 4 ounces!
Beat to hell. Probably the last rifle I would sell.
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Do hunters overthink accuracy
- Thread starter heronfish
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Thanks, no doubt you're right. It is one of the early Remington Sevens with a gray Kevlar reinforced fibreglass stock. Ultra-light, at 5 pounds, 4 ounces!
Beat to hell. Probably the last rifle I would sell.
Bingo.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Depends on the range you expect to shoot.
If you're inside 100 yards, you can get away with a pretty sloppy group, and never have an issue.
But head out with that same rifle where ranges are 300 yards or more, and it's not going to cut it.
My grandfather hunted for many years with an old SMLE that keyholed at 100 yards. He couldn't afford better, it was just after WW1 and he had a huge family. That rifle put meat on the table for them time after time, and with old surplus ammo too.
Ranges there are limited by visibility, I doub't he ever shot at anything over 50 yards.
I've got lots of hunting rifles that are in the 2" class, a few that are in the 4" class, and a couple of stellar shooters for the rare occasions I hunt longer ranges.
Practice is paramount. Keep shooting, get better, your game deserves it.
If you're inside 100 yards, you can get away with a pretty sloppy group, and never have an issue.
But head out with that same rifle where ranges are 300 yards or more, and it's not going to cut it.
My grandfather hunted for many years with an old SMLE that keyholed at 100 yards. He couldn't afford better, it was just after WW1 and he had a huge family. That rifle put meat on the table for them time after time, and with old surplus ammo too.
Ranges there are limited by visibility, I doub't he ever shot at anything over 50 yards.
I've got lots of hunting rifles that are in the 2" class, a few that are in the 4" class, and a couple of stellar shooters for the rare occasions I hunt longer ranges.
Practice is paramount. Keep shooting, get better, your game deserves it.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
That's true, but. Have seen lots of people at the range complain that they cannot get their rifles to shoot accurately when in fact they were getting a 1" group with them at 100 yards.
seeing how a 1" gun will do just fine and win sihouette matches I see no reason not to take one hunting
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The problem is that some people never practice shooting from field positions, and they never shoot at targets past 100 yards, yet they have no issues with taking offhand shots at animals at 400 yards. Their rifle may be more than adequate, but their shooting skills in the field are often sadly lacking. As well, if you don't shoot past 100 yards, you don't know if the bullets are even stabilized at 400 yards. Some people would be far better off working on their shooting skills, than trying to get that last 1/8" reduction in group size.
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- Location
- A blue part of Ontario
Some do, some dont.
Most of the guys I hunt with are pretty realistic. They refer to it as "minute of deer". IE the paper plate at 100m. But I have known some guys to obsess over sub MOA shooting like it matters when you're shooting under 100m
Most of the guys I hunt with are pretty realistic. They refer to it as "minute of deer". IE the paper plate at 100m. But I have known some guys to obsess over sub MOA shooting like it matters when you're shooting under 100m
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
That right there is not only funny, but true!!I like when someone gets their rifle down to 1/2" or so (because its so very important) then sights in 3" high at 100 because they know that 3" plus or minus doesn't mean anything.
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I like when someone gets their rifle down to 1/2" or so (because its so very important) then sights in 3" high at 100 because they know that 3" plus or minus doesn't mean anything.
That is pretty funny.
I like when someone gets their rifle down to 1/2" or so (because its so very important) then sights in 3" high at 100 because they know that 3" plus or minus doesn't mean anything.
This is likely a move committed by a seasoned hunter. A half minute rifle set up 3" high at a hundred will have a PBR somewhere between 300-400y. He knows he has a few inches grace on any given shot and isn't letting mechanical accuracy take any of that buffer. Now his buffer is available for atmopheric condition, less than ideal shooting position or a bad range estimate. I wouldn't be worried about that guy filling the freezer.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
That's very true, but I know someone who missed opportunities, yes plural, on game because the field of view of their high magnification scope was too small to find the target in a cluttered background. I know someone who wounded game because in his overenthusiasm for accuracy, he chose match bullets rather than game bullets. I know someone who was unable to cover the ground he intended to, because he insisted that a sporter wasn't accurate enough for hunting, and lugged around a heavy barrel varmint rifle in tough country.
That was all a long time ago, and since that time I've learned not to "over-think" accuracy. Super accurate rifles, match ammo, and high magnification optics have their place in long range game shooting, but not for general big game hunting conducted under typical conditions. Accuracy should be viewed as a necessary element of field marksmanship, with the understanding that improvements in accuracy should not be made at the price of the hunting rifle's handling, the ease by which its target is acquired, or the terminal performance of its ammunition.
Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking, what's wrong with a rifle that's 1/2 Moa but sighted in for mpbr out to a 350-400? I don't wanna mess with dials and dope, I wanna point at fur and drop it. Horizontal grouping matters to me too, gut shots suck.
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- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
That's all fine and good depending on the muzzle velocity and ballistic coefficient of your bullet. If your actual muzzle velocity is 2600 fps, and your G-7 is .207, where would you aim at say a 75 yard pronghorn (or perhaps in your case, a mountain goat) quartering away?
You don't improve your horizontal dispersion by using a long zero range. IMHO, a practical zero range is 150-250 yards depending on the velocity and slipperiness of the bullet, then if you intend to shoot out beyond a quarter mile, put a reticle in your scope that provides hold-offs for drop and windage out to the maximum range you intend to shoot. One of the Horus Christmas tree reticles is the answer once you've become familiar with their use, allowing precise aimed fire at targets both near and far, in still conditions and wind, without cranking on the turrets . . . once you understand the math that is, and carry a Kestral, whose screen you may or maynot be able to see in any given light conditions, and a laser range finder, that may or maynot reflect off the target.
It would be hard to swing a dead cat in a gun store without knocking over several 300 plus yard mpbr rifles and factory ammo. 400 is somewhat scarcer.
Putting holes in paper from a bench rest and shooting standing with adrenaline coursing through your veins are two different things. My club has a bay with no bench to allow pistol and rifle from a standing position. After sighting in on the bench rest and getting my "sub MOA groups" I then go to a standing position and guess what? I am almost always off target. My thought is it has something to do with shouldering the rifle and the bio-mechanics of pulling the trigger. A few clicks on the scope and I am back on target. NOT sub moa but certainly good enough.
Anyone who says they can shoot 100 yd+ sub MOA groups from a standing position is a great story teller and if you hear them tell it, probably a great fisherman. LOL
Anyone who says they can shoot 100 yd+ sub MOA groups from a standing position is a great story teller and if you hear them tell it, probably a great fisherman. LOL
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We definitely hang out with a different hunting crowd, the only atmospheric conditions I'm concerned about it too many stinky men crammed in an outfitters tent away from the supervision of wives.
If yore calculating your point blank range, I suspect you've already over thought the game beyond putting the cross hairs behind the shoulder and pulling the trigger.
