Shop Anschutz or Refit Lilja to CZ?

[dak47]

What do you all think? Would you just sell the 455 Lux and buy the Annie or put a Lilja Varmit taper barrel and Yo Dave trigger on a favourite grouse gun?

The CZ is quite accurate, I just want it to be it's ultimate best..... Or cave? I can't seem to leave well enough alone Don't shoot Stingers so the Bentz chamber should be no big deal, I think??

http://riflebarrels.com/shop/drop-in-barrels/cz-455-precision-barrel/

Dirk

 

[minimouse]

Anschutz.

 

[RabidM4U5]

I'll let ya know shortly, putting in my order for a lilja on my 455. It depends on which annie you're looking at I have the 64 barreled action in a weatherby stock. Can't say it's trigger is way better than the cz with yo-dave it actually I think I prefer the cz. The barrel has a rough finish at the leade causing some fouling/accuracy issues so not even the anschutz name guarantees a defect free product but it should be a rarity I just happen to be unlucky twice. The lilja should run with or best the annies in accuracy if that is your only concern but unless you plan to mostly shoot top tier ammo out of it you're wasting your money on it. Fit and finish of the annie will be superior to the cz and that is what you're paying for to step up the grade. If you have the budget for a match 54 action then that's your gun!

 

[grauhanen]

Even with a Lilja, unless you are prepared to pillar and glass bed your 455 it will not be the equal of an Anschutz. Anschutz rifles usually have very good stocks. The 455's often need bedding to shoot well with factory barrels and would certainly need it to make the most out of a Lilja.

 

[weasel1]

Rabid is already one step ahead!

 

[ACKLEY ABE]

Anshutz...

I made the mistake of buying a 455 after having owned a 1418 Anshutz and a Remington 541T. A lot of stock 10/22' would shoot as well as that 455. I thought it would make a good grouse gun and probably would have, but not anywhere near the same class as an Anshutz or for that matter a 541. I sold mine within 2 or 3 wks of buying it and took a big loss (sold it for 300 bucks) , but that's how disappointed in it I was. I didn't even want to keep it.

You can put a new bbl on one and do the trigger and putz around with it as much as you like (after all that's half the fun), but if your happy with it as a plinker and a grouse getter, just leave it alone. If you're looking for a very accurate 22, then take a look at what's available before you spend a ton of money on it. Every so often I go on to Prophet River's site just to look at the latest Anshutz's that have come in....along with all of the other great stuff that shows up on his site.

As I said my problem was buying the 455 after owning the Anshutz and the 541. Any rifle would have had a tough time keeping up with either of those rifles so it was probably an unfair test right from the start.

 

[horseman2]

As one learned CGN Scribe said . . . "I should have bought an Anschutz"!

Perhaps with the cost of improvements and ammo tested . . . I could have bought an Anschutz in the Model 54 action?

Looking back though the CZ's were bought as Gopher/Grouse guns. Anschutz rifles are still a bit of luck of the draw but many owners that were unhappy probably failed to test a wide variety of ammo.

Still testing . . .

 

[RabidM4U5]

Even with a Lilja, unless you are prepared to pillar and glass bed your 455 it will not be the equal of an Anschutz.

Ah yes, I was thinking purely in terms of accuracy potential of the barrel itself. Bedding will be essential on the 455 action to create the stable platform to realize this potential. That said a cz can be built to compete on an anschutz level for a few hundred $$ less. I'll just need to re bed my barrel channel for the lilja then I'll be kickin ahhzz and takin names!

 

[yodave]

doesn't matter which rifle or which barrel you use, lots of people fail to do the 1 most important thing when chasing the accuracy of any rim fire ammo......

test lots of brands of ammo.........and then test multiple lot numbers of that same ammo. after a year compile your results......

Lapua ammo is good, and it is made to run to it's full potential in most if not all factory chambers, Eley is special and is designed and or works best in match chambers not normally found on over the counter rifles.......

lapua center x is a good all round purpose ammo that seams to work 90 percent of the time, 50 percent of those times the lot number has a huge bearing on the target results

 

[firstson]

doesn't matter which rifle or which barrel you use, lots of people fail to do the 1 most important thing when chasing the accuracy of any rim fire ammo......

test lots of brands of ammo.........and then test multiple lot numbers of that same ammo. after a year compile your results......

Lapua ammo is good, and it is made to run to it's full potential in most if not all factory chambers, Eley is special and is designed and or works best in match chambers not normally found on over the counter rifles.......

lapua center x is a good all round purpose ammo that seams to work 90 percent of the time, 50 percent of those times the lot number has a huge bearing on the target results

I agree totally. Most decent quality rifles can be made to shoot very well after testing for the ammunition it likes. Caveat is , is the nut behind the butt up to both the rifle and the ammunition.

 

[ronnie01]

I'll let ya know shortly, putting in my order for a lilja on my 455. It depends on which annie you're looking at I have the 64 barreled action in a weatherby stock. Can't say it's trigger is way better than the cz with yo-dave it actually I think I prefer the cz. The barrel has a rough finish at the leade causing some fouling/accuracy issues so not even the anschutz name guarantees a defect free product but it should be a rarity I just happen to be unlucky twice. The lilja should run with or best the annies in accuracy if that is your only concern but unless you plan to mostly shoot top tier ammo out of it you're wasting your money on it. Fit and finish of the annie will be superior to the cz and that is what you're paying for to step up the grade. If you have the budget for a match 54 action then that's your gun!

How are you going to buy that Lilja without the famed bore scope test.
Just wondering.

R

 

[grauhanen]

doesn't matter which rifle or which barrel you use, lots of people fail to do the 1 most important thing when chasing the accuracy of any rim fire ammo......

test lots of brands of ammo.........and then test multiple lot numbers of that same ammo. after a year compile your results......

If the barrel is good, there are only three brands of ammo to test: Lapua, RWS, and Eley. Each of the three big names in match ammo make different grades of ammo. For most people shooting CZ rifles, they don't need top-of-the-line Lapua Midas +, RWS R50, or Eley Tenex: neither they nor the rifle will be able to do better than some of the less expensive ammo made by any of the three. Even most mortal Anschutz shooters, those who are not bona fide BR experts, can usually do as well as can be expected with match ammo that isn't the priciest. The key point to bear in mind is that bulk ammo will not produce very good results. It is necessary to use match ammo to get the best results out of your rifle -- unless, of course, either it or you (or both) can't shoot well to begin with.

 

[RabidM4U5]

How are you going to buy that Lilja without the famed bore scope test.
Just wondering.

R

They take care of that in the shop http://riflebarrels.com/video-inspection-machine/ and warranty the barrels to be free of defects due to material flaws or workmanship. This is a match grade barrel maker we are talking about here, one should feel confident that they'll receive a quality product from them or any other maker. I reserve my bore scope inspection requirement for factory production grade barrels in a new firearm or any used firearm in a private sale even if it is equipped with a custom barrel. If I get burned again I give up on shooting....

 

[savagecanuck]

They take care of that in the shop http://riflebarrels.com/video-inspection-machine/ and warranty the barrels to be free of defects due to material flaws or workmanship. This is a match grade barrel maker we are talking about here, one should feel confident that they'll receive a quality product from them or any other maker. I reserve my bore scope inspection requirement for factory production grade barrels in a new firearm or any used firearm in a private sale even if it is equipped with a custom barrel. If I get burned again I give up on shooting....

No you don,t give up you buy an Annie!I have a 64 MPR on its way hope its a shooter

 

[Got Juice?]

Anschutz.... then start digging into why the CZ won't shoot.

 

[RabidM4U5]

No you don,t give up you buy an Annie!I have a 64 MPR on its way hope its a shooter

Anschutz.... then start digging into why the CZ won't shoot.

Tried that with the Anschütz made Weatherby. Now I'm digging into why both won't shoot The more I look at factory barrels with my bore scope the more disgusted I get. It is truly sad to see barrels with so much potential never realized due to gross tool marks and other flaws. Oh boy... I might morph into a custom barrel snob!

 

[Got Juice?]

Tried that with the Anschütz made Weatherby. Now I'm digging into why both won't shoot The more I look at factory barrels with my bore scope the more disgusted I get. It is truly sad to see barrels with so much potential never realized due to gross tool marks and other flaws. Oh boy... I might morph into a custom barrel snob!

there is a Walther on EE....arguably better than Anschitz.....I prefer my Walther k\k\m UIT special to my Match 64's with their 2 stage triggers (an unfair comparison perhaps because the Walther has a much better trigger)

Accuracy and Consistency are 2 different animals as well.

 

[j_06]

doesn't matter which rifle or which barrel you use, lots of people fail to do the 1 most important thing when chasing the accuracy of any rim fire ammo......

test lots of brands of ammo.........and then test multiple lot numbers of that same ammo. after a year compile your results......

Lapua ammo is good, and it is made to run to it's full potential in most if not all factory chambers, Eley is special and is designed and or works best in match chambers not normally found on over the counter rifles.......

lapua center x is a good all round purpose ammo that seams to work 90 percent of the time, 50 percent of those times the lot number has a huge bearing on the target results

This x2, let alone the fact most couldn't shoot better than what their rifle is is capable of, an Annie won't fix a ####ty shot(not saying your op) especially if used hunting in field positions. Everyone seems to want to buy a better shot.

 

[Chilly807]

The trouble with having a good reputation for accuracy, like Anschutz does, is that you're expected to live up to it with each and every gun you make.
One of my favorite expressions is, "Don't make it too good, they'll expect it all the time!"
A 64 isn't a 54, which is why Anschutz still sells so many 54s.
Some of us try to get ahead of the game by making a CZ shoot better than average. They're the cult rifle for the bolt action crowd, just like the 10/22 is for the auto loader aficionados. Decent quality, low price, aftermarket parts available, excellent results possible.. game on!

 

[ronnie01]

Tried that with the Anschütz made Weatherby. Now I'm digging into why both won't shoot The more I look at factory barrels with my bore scope the more disgusted I get. It is truly sad to see barrels with so much potential never realized due to gross tool marks and other flaws. Oh boy... I might morph into a custom barrel snob!

How many barrels have you inspected?

R