what is the best press to load 9mm efficiently?

My component price breakdown for 1,000 9mm using recent component prices is as follows:

Cam-Pro 147 grain bullets purchased locally: $110
Dominion primers from CanadaAmmo: $28
Powder: $17 (3.5 grains Titegroup at $35/lb purchased locally)
Brass for 9mm is essentially zero cost. I usually come back from the range with at least a little more brass than I brought and it can be reused many times.

Subtotal without GST: $155
With 5% GST: $162.75

Increasing the powder price to $40/lb changes the total to $158, or $165.90 with GST: still pretty close to my off-the cuff estimate of $160/1000.
 
My component price breakdown for 1,000 9mm using recent component prices is as follows:

Cam-Pro 147 grain bullets purchased locally: $110
Dominion primers from CanadaAmmo: $28
Powder: $17 (3.5 grains Titegroup at $35/lb purchased locally)
Brass for 9mm is essentially zero cost. I usually come back from the range with at least a little more brass than I brought and it can be reused many times.

Subtotal without GST: $155
With 5% GST: $162.75

Increasing the powder price to $40/lb changes the total to $158, or $165.90 with GST: still pretty close to my off-the cuff estimate of $160/1000.

It's more likely to see the 5 to 5.5 cent primers upping the cost due to much of the country needing to buy CCI or Federal or S&B primers. But even so and even with taxes we're still a touch under $200/K to reload vs at best I've seen $280/K before taxes for factory reloads. So call that $300 with taxes. That's a $100/k savings.

And let's not put a cost on brass since anyone that shoots at any sort of range can pick up all they want/need for free. Maybe not all in one visit but if they pick up ground brass at all they'll come home with more than they shot. It would need to be a pretty special situation to actually be forced to BUY 9mm brass. And even there if that were the case I'm sure that a $20 donation to the club would gain access to the brass and the taking home of a 4L ice cream bucket full of 9mm.
 
Hey guys I am now just about to start saving money with reloading.(kidding)

Imo, the best way to save money and shoot match 9mm ammo is to cast your own bullets.

I have found that plated 355-356 bullets shoot poorly in my 9mm even with a match barrel.
357 cast shoots very well.

Then its not anymore just about cost, its about having ammo that actually shoots well.

Full fmj high cost bullets shoot well also, but seriously im not going to plink 9mm with bullets that cost 40 cents a pop when I can do it for free with lead....

I just dont have time right now with the baby so I dont shoot much lately.
 
If we're talking about cost savings and breakdowns..
VV N310, 3.4 grains. One bottle is 7700 grains (0.5KG), so 2250 rounds per bottle @ $43 / 0.5KG (roughly $20 / 1k rounds)
Primers, Dominion or S&B @ $28/1k
Bullets 147gr $110/1k
Brass : Free. Locally you can buy a 4000 round ice cream bucket of 9mm for $115 tax in if you're really hard up.
That's $158 / 1000 at todays prices, plus taxes. It's a cleaner powder, shoots better than factory.
So you're saving roughly $130 / 1k. Depending on your shooting volume, and your free time (explained in the thread, in detail already..) will dictate which press you should be looking at.

And when you reload, it's not only about the savings, because you will shoot more. Ya gotta like the hobby to reload thousands of rounds of pistol ammunition.
 
I have a Hornady LnL AP and I am quite happy with it. If you look there is a comparison between the Hornady LnL AP, Dillon 650, and Lee Loadmaster that is quite informative.

The BIG savings are in rounds other than the 9mm. I load for 38 Special, 45 ACP, 357 Magnum, and 45 Colt. I cast for my 38 Special and 45 Colt (Hornady powder dispenser works really well with Trailboss); I am loading 38 Special loads for about $4/50 right now, and that does not include the fact one of my buddies gave me 4 lbs of Win 231 :).
 
In all seriousness, it's quite simple, the dillon is the most expensive and the best, then the lnl ap is good and less expensive, and the loadmaster can work for some operations if properly tuned, and is the least expensive.

I have loaded 2000 rounds on the loadmaster you can get it to work, but there is always an issue. Indexing, case feeding, priming, have to screw a few things every 50-100 rounds...
The 650 just works and cranks ammo like there is no tomorrow, and never fails.
It's not the same category of machine, that's all.
 
that's one of the reasons I chose 550 over 650, besides initial costs and noise level with the feeders.

HOLY HELL is the 650 big! damn thing would take up more space than I have to stand in my kitchen!

I live in a 'tiny' bachelor pad. by tiny I mean that I've got about 330sqft including kitchen & bathroom.

my usable living space is 11' x 16', so I use it wisely and sparingly... :cool:
 
there is case feeder from Dillon for 550B as well. just not sure how much it speeds things up.


How many rounds a month do you shoot? Really shoot, not what you'd like to shoot. If you've done this for a while now you should have a good handle on reality and how often "real life" let's you go and play.

What other things do you do at home? Wife and kids or single and dull your brain watching TV? If you've got a busy home life you may not have time to use for reloading. Or your time might be rather limited. On the other hand if it's a case of giving up a couple of hours of TV to reload I'd say your IQ will thank you for switching the flat brain buster off and reloading with some good tunes in the background.

Or do you have a job where you can ask for and work overtime pretty much whenever you want? If so then it's likely easier to just do that if you don't hate your job than to buy the reloading gear.

If you do decide to get into reloading because you have the time and you don't want to or can't work overtime to buy reloaded ammo then how many hours can you put into reloading? That might direct you to your press choice based on fitting the amount you need into the abiilty of the reloading press. If you can easily reload all you need for a month in an hour or less on a totally hand fed Dillon Square Deal progressive then you really don't require a 650 with all the bells and whistles. Or maybe if spending an evening at it lets you build up a 3 month's supply easily then here again you don't NEED a bigger, faster and more expensive option. Ask and answer these questions to yourself and don't just buy big because someone else did. Fit the solution to what is really your present and short term future needs.

I've got a Dillon 550 and I find that even hand placing the casings and bullets I can comfortably load 400 or a hair less per hour. A Dillon Square Deal would be the same. What you give up with the Square Deal is being able to use regular dies. But the Square Deal is intended to be primarily a one caliber machine. A 650 with case and bullet feeder would cost more, take up more room but it would let you run off up around 600 or so per hour. But without the casing and bullet feeders a 650 will run at only slightly faster than a 550 or SD just due to the auto indexing. It's the self feeders that ups the game with that press and the other higher end options. A fully set up 1050 is up around 1000 per hour. Or maybe more like 1500/hr if you set it up with the power lever and simply need to keep the primers, bullets and casing stages filled up.

Keep in mind that you need to include time taken for stocking the bullet and casing feeders and primer tubes. It's not ONLY about pulling the lever.

I'd put the Hornady AP at around the same ability level as the 650 depending on if you set it up with auto feeding options.

So which round count per hour fits in with your needs and time?

You say that you need to consider the cost of your time. That only applies if you have the option of working overtime instead of reloading. Otherwise trying to price your spare time in dollars is meaningless. You're not getting paid for doing anything else so you can't try to pin a cost onto any substitute activity such as reloading.

If you want to put a value on your spare time then it's only valid to consider the time cost for reloading time if it takes away from family, friends or some other activity you'd be doing if you were not reloading.

WHO BUYS 9MM BRASS ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ?

If you shoot in any sort of organized handgun matches 9mm is free for the effort of staying behind and picking up after all the equipment is put away. And the brass is good for a dozen or so reloads before it starts splitting. I've got thousands of 9mm casings and never paid for a single one other than the effort needed to bend down and pick it up. Just start saving now and you'll have a couple of thousand by the time you decide to buy a setup or not.
 
the only thing that is hard to quantify is the value of your time taken/used to do the loading. if you enjoy it as a hobby, like the shooting itself, time is immaterial...however, if you'd be making more money doing whatever it is you do than the savings, obviously you'd need to rethink your position. :rolleyes:


When a fellow is poor, it feels good to do something to make a dollar or save a dollar - it gives a feeling of satisfaction. Shooting a deer for the freezer or growing a garden or reloading a box of bullets all lose something when we have enough money to buy everything we want. When this feeling of having done something worthwhile is taken away by wealth, we are left with a couple of lesser rewards for reloading - the claim that our bullets are better - or having enough ammo to shoot a lot. Shooting twice as much does not give me twice the enjoyment - nor does it increase my skills by twice.

It seems like a lot of things that we do have diminishing returns - yet we keep seeking reward, long after the joy is gone.

When we reduce our activities to economy of funds and time, we are missing the joy of adventure. When we first reloaded a box on a single-stage, it took too long and cost too much and the bolt was a little hard to close, but it sure gave a reward.

I have more to say - I think - but this is already too wordy. If you enjoy reloading, do it - if you don't, buy bullets or pay a buddy well to do it for you.
 
I have both a Dillon 550 and the 650. I use the 550 for low round count such as .44 mag & .454 and some rifle load. The 650 is for 9 mm and .38 super. If you want to load pistol semi auto round and a lot of it.. The 650 is the way to go.

Same here. I started with a 550 and added a 650,which is a dedicated 9mm/223 machine.
 
I would not want to use my 650 for low volume of multiple calibers, or load development.
Unnecessary costs and complexity.

To me, it's a machine to crank ammo for semi auto. (9mm, 223, that's it).
I really dislike changing calibers on a machine.

If I was doing small batches of multiple calibers (I don't), I would probably have a 550 for that, and keep the 650 for volume.
 
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