Beowulf mags??? what's the scoop 2016

[shawn]

They are not "pistol mags originally designed and manufactured for pistols chambered in .50 beo" if they started life as regular mags which were then modified or engraved/printed.

They are, and started life as beo mags

The ones that the RCMP said were prohib were the ones where a company took AR mags took them apart installed a new follower and glued them back together and claimed they were beo mags. No one has said toes mags are legal.

Note the distinction between using a .40 caliber factory 10 round magazine in a 9mm pistol.

What distinction?

And if you are arguing that the 50 beo is a pistol, then I would argue that it is not a "semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada".

FF

Apparently the RCMP does not agree with you

Shawn

 

[Runningfool]

Lawyer costs, mental anguish, loss of enjoyment of life, wrongful persecution, etc. I was wrongfully charged before and the damage it does to your name in the community even when exonerated is not reversible, people still look at you as some sort of criminal and many will not hire you knowing your past run in with the law.

Lawyer costs? Mental anguish? Loss of enjoyment of life? Seriously? I'm sure your situation was different but in the case of the Beo mags iirc, the RCMP confiscated the mags and the owners got them back a few days later. No one needed a lawyer, no one suffered significant mental anguish, no one suffered a loss of enjoyment of life; they were without their beo mags for a few days, hardly the stuff of "damages".

 

[Brian46]

Lawyer costs? Mental anguish? Loss of enjoyment of life? Seriously? I'm sure your situation was different but in the case of the Beo mags iirc, the RCMP confiscated the mags and the owners got them back a few days later. No one needed a lawyer, no one suffered significant mental anguish, no one suffered a loss of enjoyment of life; they were without their beo mags for a few days, hardly the stuff of "damages".

Criminal charges cause all of what I described even when dropped, your standing in the local community is ruined

 

[shawn]

Criminal charges cause all of what I described even when dropped, your standing in the local community is ruined

Post it up then

You standing in the community

So these charges that never were laid and never went to court and the person was never arrested for, he was never convicted of, and never served a sentence for. How does the"community" know about them?

Shawn

 

[Brian46]

what happened to you statement nobody was ever charged for these mags? link to thread is posted twice already

Post it up then

You standing in the community

So these charges that never were laid

Shawn

Is it because you choose not to read the thread that you believe nobody was ever charged with having a prohibited device for being in possession of these mags?

I technically was never arrested either, I went willingly to the police station where I was informed of my charges and made to sign a promise to appear, that did not stop the police from speaking to every local media outlet that would print. I have no idea the location of the individual who was charged or if there was media coverage, but simply having that on your record is enough to cause damages as I said with border crossings and traffic stops.

 

[shawn]

what happened to you statement nobody was ever charged for these mags? link to thread is posted twice already

Go ahead quote were I said that. The quote you quoted was not complete and was in reference to this case. But if you quoted all of what I said that does not fit your BS narrative

Is it because you choose not to read the thread that you believe nobody was ever charged with having a prohibited device for being in possession of these mags?

You mean the one you edited into your posts after I repled to your posts that did not contain the link and now to are trying to play the victim?

I technically was never arrested either, I went willingly to the police station where I was informed of my charges and made to sign a promise to appear, that did not stop the police from speaking to every local media outlet that would print. I have no idea the location of the individual who was charged or if there was media coverage, but simply having that on your record is enough to cause damages as I said with border crossings and traffic stops.

LOL

So now police had a press conference with the media about poor old Brian not getting arrested and having to sign a PTA?

Shawn

 

[Brian46]

Go ahead quote were I said that. The quote you quoted was not complete and was in reference to this case
Shawn

the guy was charged and released on a promise to appear, you still have been unable to acknowledge that fact and reason for my edit

Having the charges dropped at a later date does not change the fact he was criminally charged for being in possession of a prohibited device (in this case 50 Beowulf magazines)

 

[Brian46]

So now police had a press conference with the media about poor old Brian not getting arrested and having to sign a PTA?

Shawn

I have posted full details before, It was in the local papers along with my full name and address, went to court three times before charges were dropped because the crown was unable to produce the witness they manufactured/groomed. Many so called "deals" were offered, but I was not guilty so would not take any of them.

It seems you are another who believes the police are always right and this can never happen to a law abiding person......I had that same mentality before this happened and was shown how naive I was to believe such a thing first hand.

 

[Mauser GDog]

Bookmark this RCMP webpage, and check it when you hear stuff like this.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/index-eng.htm

 

[Brian46]

You mean the one you edited into your posts after I repled to your posts that did not contain the link and now to are trying to play the victim?




Shawn

posted twice, you did ask twice remember, one edited because you are too lazy to to look and asked a second time right after I told you where it was.

 

[Brian46]

The thing is, I actually want to see this go to court, I offered up cash for legal fees if the guy who got charged was willing to push this into the courtroom. I don't care the result, I just want a definitive ruling before dumping more money into 50 Beo rifles and their accessories.

Argue your side all you want, means nothing until it is in writing from those who are going to arrest and prosecute you. people who have never been falsely accused, arrested and charged really have no clue the costs on you and your family. I couldn't even be a director of my own company during the time I faced criminal charges, I have to sign documents with my lawyer each year that are registered with the province stating that fact. It's a nightmare

 

[katazone]

Guy,

I called several retailers, beo mags are still being sold and it is my understanding that you can use them at your own discretion. NOT prohib!

The guy that got charged, never went to court, was given his mags back and charges were dropped. That means he was NEVER convicted!!! if the judge didn't seal the charge...NO charge. IMO

 

[Brian46]

The guy that got charged, never went to court, was given his mags back and charges were dropped. That means he was NEVER charged!!! if the judge didn't seal the charge...NO charge. IMO

It doesn't work that way, my charges were dropped and still to this day I sometimes get asked going to the USA about it. For about the first 5 years I spent countless hours wasting time explaining at customs what happened and the charges were dropped, same with when I was stopped on the road, It all still shows up on your record, expect to be looked at as a criminal.

 

[shawn]

Having the charges dropped at a later date does not change the fact he was criminally charged for being in possession of a prohibited device (in this case 50 Beowulf magazines)

Its also does not change the fact that if he was not convicted he broke no law and .50 beo mags are legal

I have posted full details before, It was in the local papers along with my full name and address, went to court three times before charges were dropped because the crown was unable to produce the witness they manufactured/groomed. Many so called "deals" were offered, but I was not guilty so would not take any of them.

Call me skeptical. As so much of what you post is utterly incorrect and out right mis information. Can you PM me link I would like to read it.

the guy was charged and released on a promise to appear, you still have been unable to acknowledge that fact and reason for my edit

Having the charges dropped at a later date does not change the fact he was criminally charged for being in possession of a prohibited device (in this case 50 Beowulf magazines)

It seems you are another who believes the police are always right and this can never happen to a law abiding person

Nope. Just a person that sees reality and does not spread sweeping generalized BS based on a single event.

the guy was charged and released on a promise to appear, you still have been unable to acknowledge that fact and reason for my edit

Having the charges dropped at a later date does not change the fact he was criminally charged for being in possession of a prohibited device (in this case 50 Beowulf magazines)

I had that same mentality before this happened and was shown how naive I was to believe such a thing first hand.

So you went full retard that the police are out to get you.

If it did actually happen to you that does not change the fact that your position is not supported by the law (as evidenced by you from your own case), it is not the stats quo, it is not likely, no one is out to get you

Shawn

 

[Brian46]

Call me skeptical. As so much of what you post is utterly incorrect and out right mis information. Can you PM me link I would like to read it.



Shawn

I have posted many times, I have all documentation and will open it to anyone in person at my home, I am not going to divulge who I am or my past to some stranger over the internet.

My family and I moved to get away from the ongoing harassment that went on after the fact. If you want to know who I am, I want a record of who you are

 

[FyreFighter]

The fact that he was not convicted does not mean he broke no law or that 50 Beos are legal. There are an infinite number of reasons why someone is not charged or convicted. Innocence is only one possible reason.

FF

Its also does not change the fact that if he was not convicted he broke no law and .50 beo mags are legal

 

[Brian46]

The fact that he was not convicted does not mean he broke no law or that 50 Beos are legal. There are an infinite number of reasons why someone is not charged or convicted. Innocence is only one possible reason.

FF

exactly

There are an infinite number of reasons why someone is charged only to have charges dropped after crown has a chance to review the case. Innocence is only one possible reason.

 

[Runningfool]

exactly

There are an infinite number of reasons why someone is charged only to have charges dropped after crown has a chance to review the case. Innocence is only one possible reason.

True enough but you must concede the fact that if indeed the mags were deemed prohibited, there is no way in hell the RCMP would return them to the individual in question.

 

[Brian46]

True enough but you must concede the fact that if indeed the mags were deemed prohibited, there is no way in hell the RCMP would return them to the individual in question.

that would open the door for the accused to take this to court and get a ruling on his terms.

The RCMP SFSS has not put their opinion on all these mags being prohibited to paper multiple times to various retailers and importers for no reason, eventually they will be doing something and you can guarantee it will be at a time of their choosing

 

[shawn]

The fact that he was not convicted does not mean he broke no law or that 50 Beos are legal. There are an infinite number of reasons why someone is not charged or convicted. Innocence is only one possible reason.

FF

You are correct but the fact that of all the people that have had these confiscated or have been charged there has been exactly zero people convicted of any crime and in every case the mags have been returned to the person. The RCMP can not and will not return an item to a person if it is not legal, regardless if they are convicted of a crime or not.

Shawn