How's my shooting and how can I improve?

Here's my group on paper from today at 25y. Ignore the 12g slug hole...

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I feel like my biggest issue is still sight picture. Spreading the gaps for windage is easy, and it looks like I'm pretty tight...but I put a lot of effort into lining up the elevation on my PPQ .22lr sights. However I think I was pretty consistent with this group. What am I doing wrong to have such an oblong group? If I can tighten vertical up as tight as the horizontal I'd have a bit over a 2" group and I'd be super happy with that.
 
Hey! It's the Internet don't ya know! Your supposed to say the slug hole was your group..I've only ever shot blocks of firewood and bunnies with a pistol, but I'd say nice shooting. Also your groups are big like that because you didn't shoot from the recommended distance for that target, shoot at .00 yards and those groups should tighten up.
 
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grimreefer said:
I definitely do that.
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Then stop doing it, or your will get good at shooting poorly.

Accept the fact the front sight moves. Squeeze the trigger until it breaks. The break should be a surprise. if you know it is going to go off, bad things happen.

Get some coaching.

I just spend A day at Milcun getting coached. Shot 400 rounds under supervision. My speed and accuracy improved dramatically. I am going back for more next Sunday.

Get good coaching and then practice what you have been taught. Just as you would for learning how to golf or ski.
 
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grimreefer said:
Thank you for the feedback and suggestions all. I think once I get the group down to 3ish inches I will buy a 9mm. I'm not yet into spending a ton of money on ammo so I'd probably still shoot the .22 75% of the time.

I don't really have any competition or other goals. I just want to be very proficient with a semi auto. I want my experience with the 9mm to transfer well to other 9mm production guns. So I'm wondering if this would be true of the new Walther Q5 Match? I think I am in love with ît.
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Guys on here have told you to get a coach. ++++1 on that. Action shooting is much different than standing and shooting for groups. Much of action shooting, from the little that I've done, forces you to move, break your grip, your sight picture, and then reacquire in the fastest and most accurate time possible. The coach is a big plus for little problems with the fundamentals that you may have. From your targets, it is looking real good, but again, move, break your grip/sight picture, then reacquire, then do it again, and again, and see how long it takes. The guys that shoot really well in action shooting, don't even look fast, but they are so good at the fundamentals, like grip for eg, that they do not even look like they're moving fast.

Oh, and buy a timer. Shoot some bill drills, v-drills and whatnot. A proper grounding in accuracy is required, but there is way more in terms of movement. Well, so I've been told anyway.

Good shooting!
 
try to use a standard NRA B-8 @ 25 yard so that we have some perspective.

grimreefer said:
Here's my group on paper from today at 25y. Ignore the 12g slug hole...

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I feel like my biggest issue is still sight picture. Spreading the gaps for windage is easy, and it looks like I'm pretty tight...but I put a lot of effort into lining up the elevation on my PPQ .22lr sights. However I think I was pretty consistent with this group. What am I doing wrong to have such an oblong group? If I can tighten vertical up as tight as the horizontal I'd have a bit over a 2" group and I'd be super happy with that.
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Those shoot-n-see high-visibility reactive targets encourage you to change your visual focus to the target instead of keeping it where it belongs - on the front sight.

If that's what you're been using, they probably aren't doing you any favours.

You won't find bullseye shooters practicing with them.
 
Wendell said:
Those shoot-n-see high-visibility reactive targets encourage you to change your visual focus to the target instead of keeping it where it belongs - on the front sight.

If that's what you're been using, they probably aren't doing you any favours.

You won't find bullseye shooters practicing with them.
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luckey said:
try to use a standard NRA B-8 @ 25 yard so that we have some perspective.
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Roger. I will go to staples and print out a million of the NRA B-8.


Ganderite said:
Vertical group is because you are pulling the trigger when sight picture looks good. let gun wiggle and squeeze until it breaks.
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I tried this out today. Definitely makes a difference. Here's my groups from today at 19 yards. Ignore the 9mm holes from my keltek sub2000 (I actually grouped better with my pistol today lol). The single fliers on each target were both pulled and I knew it immediately.

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Put 100 rounds on the NRA B8 targets today at 19 yards (the max distance I had at the range today). Tried faster shooting, very slow shooting resting in between shots, modifying grip pressure...nothing really made much of a difference. I was sort of pleased to see that I could speed up my shooting to about 1 shot per second and the groups didn't really grow. Here's a couple of my better groups, but I took a photo of all 10 targets here.

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That little guy at the bottom was one of two hits outside the black today...why did it have to be on this target! lol
 
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As the distance moves out obviously the patterns become a touch larger. Still, these ARE larger compared to your 19 yard results by more than the increase in distance can account for.

What you're finding now is that the small stuff is going to matter. Like how long before shooting did you drink any coffee? Or were you hungry or just ate or any number of other factors that might affect your ability to hold the sight picture steady enough.
 
diopter said:
Shooting starts at around 5:00 :
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Well sure, if my barrel reached half way to the target I could shoot like that too. :p jk

BCRider said:
As the distance moves out obviously the patterns become a touch larger. Still, these ARE larger compared to your 19 yard results by more than the increase in distance can account for.

What you're finding now is that the small stuff is going to matter. Like how long before shooting did you drink any coffee? Or were you hungry or just ate or any number of other factors that might affect your ability to hold the sight picture steady enough.
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Okay so I took this into consideration. Ate healthy and took it easy on my caffeine and beer consumption the day of and before:

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Some of those were fast, some were very slow paced. I think I got worse? lol. Although I did put this last one up at the end and took my time:

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