Got my Star Super B... Pictures up...

[05RAV]

I'm a big fan of Automatenfett and Waffenfett. This stuff is nowhere near the Swiss grease.

It is *sweating* brown stuff all over the place...
Believe me you can't leave it like that with all the #### sweating everywhere from the pistol.
I'm sure if you fire the pistol with this stuff still inside, other people will laugh at your ass when they will see your face full of this ####.

I can't say its smooth, it is far from smooth !

I may have a few questions for you :

1- Is it normal that when you activate the mag release, the mag don't even pop out by a thousand of an inch and you must pull the mag with considerable force like it is stuck in the frame ? Both mags are like that.

2- Is it normal that when you pull the slide back it stays back ( jamed ) even when the slide release in not engaged ? You can see it in a pic in one of my previous post. The only ways to *unjam* the slide is to pull the slide forward or to hit the frame with your second hand.

3- When I try to remove the slide, it won't come out. Looks like I will have to gently hit the slide with a soft mallet. Like I said, I saw all the videos of the Star model B on Youtube and I did exactly the same as in all the videos and the slide won't come out and it should be very easy, is that normal ?

Regarding rust on the Star modelo Super B, you are right. I bought mine from Trade Ex Canada in February 2016. It also had a bit of rust here and there but not so much as yours. I just sprayed Ballistol all over the pistol, left it for some time and then thoroughly rubbed all the surfaces with a white piece of cloth (you see rust well on white) for an hour or so. All rust is gone now. It is absolutely normal that blued surfaces on guns develop a thin layer of rust (Fe2O3). From time to time they must be treated with good oil. I always use Ballistol. It removes every trace of rust effectively.
More important problem with your Star modelo Super B was a “sticking” slide. The slide on my Star Super B moves like in a butter. The only problem I noticed after about 200 rounds is that a small pin located just below the take down lever on the right side starts slightly protruding from the frame surface. Then the take down lever cannot be moved fully up and there is no way to field strip the pistol. The pin must be lightly tapped back to sit flush with the frame surface. Minor problem. After all, those Star Super B pistols are over 40 years old. Mine was produced in 1973 and yours was produced in 1972 (it’s stamped on the left side of the trigger guard).
In addition, you had a serious problem with the mags. Both my mags pop out FULLY after pressing the mag release button. Again, both are smooth like greased with a butter. I guess that you made a right decision to return your Star. These two issues with the slide and mags indicate to me that. indeed, your pistol had a serious mechanical problem.
In general, I’m very happy with my Star Super B. It shoots every ammo like the PMC Bronze 115&124 gr, Blazer Brass 124gr, Sellier&Bellot 115gr, IMI 124gr, Winchester 115gr and TMJ RN reloads 115gr, without any hiccup. I load the mags to full capacity of 8 rounds without any problem. At 25 yards, standing position, 2-hand grip, I manage 4” horizontal and 5” vertical grouping which is just me. I feel that the pistol is more accurate than that. Field stripping of the pistol is a breeze. Just rotate the take down lever up and push the slide forward. That's it. Much better mechanism than that on the 1911 and many other modern handguns.
All in all, it’s a great pistol for a measly price of $299+tax+shipping.
If you can get one that functions properly I recommend it without any hesitation.

 

[johnrw]

I've had a couple of these from Tradeex - the first one didn't eject at all - sent in back and the replacement worked just fine. But I didn't care for the hammer bite so I sold it....and bought a NP29. The Norc jammed up hard on the second trip to the range (something jammed/broke in the barrel link I believe) and has been sent in for warranty repair.

I am thinking I should have just stuck with the Star.

 

[ben777lemay]

Regarding rust on the Star modelo Super B, you are right. I bought mine from Trade Ex Canada in February 2016. It also had a bit of rust here and there but not so much as yours. I just sprayed Ballistol all over the pistol, left it for some time and then thoroughly rubbed all the surfaces with a white piece of cloth (you see rust well on white) for an hour or so. All rust is gone now. It is absolutely normal that blued surfaces on guns develop a thin layer of rust (Fe2O3). From time to time they must be treated with good oil. I always use Ballistol. It removes every trace of rust effectively.
More important problem with your Star modelo Super B was a “sticking” slide. The slide on my Star Super B moves like in a butter. The only problem I noticed after about 200 rounds is that a small pin located just below the take down lever on the right side starts slightly protruding from the frame surface. Then the take down lever cannot be moved fully up and there is no way to field strip the pistol. The pin must be lightly tapped back to sit flush with the frame surface. Minor problem. After all, those Star Super B pistols are over 40 years old. Mine was produced in 1973 and yours was produced in 1972 (it’s stamped on the left side of the trigger guard).
In addition, you had a serious problem with the mags. Both my mags pop out FULLY after pressing the mag release button. Again, both are smooth like greased with a butter. I guess that you made a right decision to return your Star. These two issues with the slide and mags indicate to me that. indeed, your pistol had a serious mechanical problem.
In general, I’m very happy with my Star Super B. It shoots every ammo like the PMC Bronze 115&124 gr, Blazer Brass 124gr, Sellier&Bellot 115gr, IMI 124gr, Winchester 115gr and TMJ RN reloads 115gr, without any hiccup. I load the mags to full capacity of 8 rounds without any problem. At 25 yards, standing position, 2-hand grip, I manage 4” horizontal and 5” vertical grouping which is just me. I feel that the pistol is more accurate than that. Field stripping of the pistol is a breeze. Just rotate the take down lever up and push the slide forward. That's it. Much better mechanism than that on the 1911 and many other modern handguns.
All in all, it’s a great pistol for a measly price of $299+tax+shipping.
If you can get one that functions properly I recommend it without any hesitation.

Thx for the reply, I really appreciate !

 

[05RAV]

I've had a couple of these from Tradeex - the first one didn't eject at all - sent in back and the replacement worked just fine. But I didn't care for the hammer bite so I sold it....and bought a NP29. The Norc jammed up hard on the second trip to the range (something jammed/broke in the barrel link I believe) and has been sent in for warranty repair.

I am thinking I should have just stuck with the Star.

The hammer bite you say? Hmm...I have pretty large hands (size L gloves) and I've never felt any hammer bite from my Star Super B although I watched a You Tube video where one guy, indeed, complained about the hammer bite. I like the Star grip very much. It's not so fat as that for the Colt 1911, much thinner.

By the way, the Star Super B has nothing to do with the Colt 1911 except a similar shape like some people mix it up. The action mechanism is completely different. The older Star B is based on the 1911.
Indeed, you should have stuck with the Star Super B. The Norc doesn't even come close to the fit and finish of the Star Super B. The latter is thoroughly modern, superbly executed steel military service pistol. On top of it, the NP29 is MORE expensive than the Star Super B.
I was lucky and bought a lot of spare parts for my Star from Marstar Canada when they were still available. I can shoot it up to infinity now.

 

[johnrw]

The hammer bite you say? Hmm...I have pretty large hands (size L gloves) and I've never felt any hammer bite from my Star Super B although I watched a You Tube video where one guy, indeed, complained about the hammer bite. I like the Star grip very much. It's not so fat as that for the Colt 1911, much thinner.

By the way, the Star Super B has nothing to do with the Colt 1911 except a similar shape like some people mix it up. The action mechanism is completely different. The older Star B is based on the 1911.
Indeed, you should have stuck with the Star Super B. The Norc doesn't even come close to the fit and finish of the Star Super B. The latter is thoroughly modern, superbly executed steel military service pistol. On top of it, the NP29 is MORE expensive than the Star Super B.
I was lucky and bought a lot of spare parts for my Star from Marstar Canada when they were still available. I can shoot it up to infinity now.

True - completely different internally - I think the barrel linkage is the same as/similar to a Browning Hi Power?

I liked the extended beavertail on the NP29 and parts availability was another reason I went that way. I also have a 1911 in .45 so I was familiar with the design.

But it sounds like you are all set with the Star and extra parts.

 

[05RAV]

Quote Originally Posted by 05RAV View Post
The hammer bite you say? Hmm...I have pretty large hands (size L gloves) and I've never felt any hammer bite from my Star Super B although I watched a You Tube video where one guy, indeed, complained about the hammer bite. I like the Star grip very much. It's not so fat as that for the Colt 1911, much thinner.

By the way, the Star Super B has nothing to do with the Colt 1911 except a similar shape like some people mix it up. The action mechanism is completely different. The older Star B is based on the 1911.
Indeed, you should have stuck with the Star Super B. The Norc doesn't even come close to the fit and finish of the Star Super B. The latter is thoroughly modern, superbly executed steel military service pistol. On top of it, the NP29 is MORE expensive than the Star Super B.
I was lucky and bought a lot of spare parts for my Star from Marstar Canada when they were still available. I can shoot it up to infinity now.

True - completely different internally - I think the barrel linkage is the same as/similar to a Browning Hi Power?

I liked the extended beavertail on the NP29 and parts availability was another reason I went that way. I also have a 1911 in .45 so I was familiar with the design.

But it sounds like you are all set with the Star and extra parts.

Yes I'm all set with my Star Super B. It's a keeper. I also have another "retired" pistol that is the Walther P1 in 9mm Luger cal. from the Bundeswehr surplus (brand new) which I like a lot. Although, I think that the Star is more accurate although the Star has a heavier trigger pull weight at around 9-10lbs vs. 4.5-5lbs for the P1. The latter has a really nice trigger.

 

[BobbyB]

Hi I just got my Star from Tradeex, it's definatly a keeper as well, in first class condition!! Can't wait to do some range time!!
Bob

 

[ben777lemay]

Hi I just got my Star from Tradeex, it's definatly a keeper as well, in first class condition!! Can't wait to do some range time!!
Bob

I'm glad you have a good one.

 

[caramel]

JP do you had to wipe this stuff ?

Maybe a Q-tip size in the trigger housing, not as much as yours, the way it look, it did ressemble rust, happy for you it's only grease... JP.

 

[El_Monty457]

I'm pretty sure as well that that hard rust coloured crust is old caked-up preservative, not rust, as once I'd cleaned it off, there was no pitting on the bluing or metal underneath. It cleans out nicely with a good stiff nylon or brass/bronze brush, liberally doused in your choice of gun solvent. I use a combination of either good old Hoppes #9 or Polymer Safe Quick Scrub III (by Shooters Choice), depending on how tough it is, alternating between the two products. I'm sure if you left it soaking in some diluted general degreaser for a while (remove the plastic or wood handgrips first), it would dissolve it into soft, much easier to clean muck as well.

 

[05RAV]

I'm pretty sure as well that that hard rust coloured crust is old caked-up preservative, not rust, as once I'd cleaned it off, there was no pitting on the bluing or metal underneath. It cleans out nicely with a good stiff nylon or brass/bronze brush, liberally doused in your choice of gun solvent. I use a combination of either good old Hoppes #9 or Polymer Safe Quick Scrub III (by Shooters Choice), depending on how tough it is, alternating between the two products. I'm sure if you left it soaking in some diluted general degreaser for a while (remove the plastic or wood handgrips first), it would dissolve it into soft, much easier to clean muck as well.

If you are referring to that brownish layer at the blued surfaces of the Star modelo Super B pistol it IS definitely rust. Some of them are rusted more some less. It is absolutely normal for blued guns to develop a very thin layer of rust which is nothing else but a red iron oxide, Fe2O3, especially if the handgun like the Star is over 40 years old!. The bluing itself is a black iron oxide, Fe3O4, which to a small extent protects against formation of Fe2O3 (rust) but not completely. I have brand new deeply blued rifles like the Zastava M22 and M85 and they also have a very thin layer of Fe2O3 developed on the relatively thick blued layer. You can’t see it with a naked eye but it’s sufficient to rub a white cloth for a while and it becomes reddish from the rust. This is absolutely normal phenomenon. Like I said in my previous post, I spray a blued surface with Ballistol, wait for an hour or so and then rub in the Ballistol into the surface with a white cloth. I change the cloth a few times because it becomes reddish from removed rust layers. I do it until there is no red color on the cloth. Then again apply Ballistol and leave for storage. This way, the surfaces are seasoned and the tendency to rust is greatly diminished but still every 4-5 months I rub the surfaces with Ballistol and every time I can see a bit of reddish color on the white piece of cloth. The blued surfaces on guns need a constant care. Not so with phosphated, Cerakote, DuraCoat, Gun-Kote, Tenifer, Bruniton and many other gun coatings developed in the past 40 years. They are much more rust resistance than simple bluing.

 

[ben777lemay]

I just sent an email to Anthony.

I asked for an exchange, I hope he will agree...
If not I will take the refund and try to find one on the EE.

Wish me luck

 

[K-Roc]

Guys, I received my pistol and I was dissapointed.
I send it back and asked for an exchange but Anthony told me he don't see nothing wrong with it.

The condition is... hmmm... I don't want to bash but... Judge by yourself...

Rust inside the pistol pretty much everywhere that I can see.











The slide also jam in the back and both mags are very-very hard to insert and remove. I'm sure aside the rust, this pistol have machanical problems.
I saw all the videos about the Star Model B Super on Youtube and I can't even remove the slide from the frame, something jam.







Tell me what you think of the pistol ?
Maybe I'm crazy, tell me if its the case.
I owned alot of firearms over the years and I will not accept something in this condition.

Thats crap... they should not have sold that to you IMO. Or sold it at a discount

 

[Megaclocker]

It will probably be perfectly fine if you oil it and/or let it soak in thick oil and lightly brush it.

 

[Tyler]

Thats crap... they should not have sold that to you IMO. Or sold it at a discount

Huh?

Thing looks perfectly fine to me. It's an old gun that has been sitting in storage for a few decades at least, and has some fine surface 'rust'.

Disassemble, oil, rub down, oil, assemble, shoot.

 

[K-Roc]

Huh?

Thing looks perfectly fine to me. It's an old gun that has been sitting in storage for a few decades at least, and has some fine surface 'rust'.

Disassemble, oil, rub down, oil, assemble, shoot.

Looks pretty rusted to me?

On their website it does say they are all in amazing "like new" condition or something like that.

So if it was rusted I would expect them to tell me is all. Seems reasonable. Also seems like they took it back no problem. Not a knock on the dealer really.

 

[ben777lemay]

Also seems like they took it back no problem. Not a knock on the dealer really.

They have a 30 days no questions asked return policy.

Lets see how they will handle my case... I'm more hoping for an exchange than a refund, we'll see !

 

[haim]

I just received mine today. I don't think it has ever been issued, looks brand new, two magazines ,one brand new and one used. New mag free falls but used one doesn't. trigger pull is very stiff .I would say around 10 pounds, and no sign of so called rust. Over all I am very happy with my purchase.

 

[05RAV]

I just received mine today. I don't think it has ever been issued, looks brand new, two magazines ,one brand new and one used. New mag free falls but used one doesn't. trigger pull is very stiff .I would say around 10 pounds, and no sign of so called rust. Over all I am very happy with my purchase.

Yes, the trigger pull is indeed stiff. I measured trigger pull on my Star Super B and it came out at 9.6-10.5 lbs. On the other hand, it is very crisp and breaks very cleanly without creep. I shoot my Star wearing shooting gloves which helps with that stiff trigger. A typical military pistol, having a military pistol trigger pull, remember about that.
You will be even more happy shooting it. So far, the PMC Bronze 115gr did well in my Star. Ordered more on sale from Canada Ammo.

 

[BobbyB]

Hi all got mine on Tuesday from Tradeex, cleaned it thoroughly and took to the range yesterday. Put 50 rounds through it between the 2 Mags. Ran flawlessly. It also looked to me to be unfired. I really like this pistol. I have small hands and found the grip to be perfect for me!