Just had my Troy PAR .223 at the range on the weekend and today. Failed to extract 5 out of 6 different varieties of ammo, put about a 150 rounds through it and about 100rounds had to use a cleaning rod to extract. I cleaned it each time before going to the range and still no go. The QD mounts are out of spec as well, Tried 3 different brands of mounts and none fit. Not very happy right now, I'll be calling Irunguns in the morning.
Any updates on Troy Sporting Rifle (PAR)
- Thread starter G.Mitchell
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I had mine at the range today for the 1st time too. 100 rounds and no failures. Worked with pmc and norinco ammo. I'm no marksman but initially it seems as accurate as my tavor and ruger ar15. Hitting 12 in gong @ 300 yards all day long. Have not tried the qd points yet. I'm pretty happy with it so far.
There is no common sense, dlask built 8"barrel pump shotguns, they were non restricted at first, then after enough calls to the cfc from people why they can't just cut the barrel down on their own shotguns and have the same status, they were made restricted unless you put on a full butt stock
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Because without a full butt stock and just a pistol grip they were deemed handguns. Hence restricted as handguns are.
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Then you may have an extractor problem. Out of all the reviews I've seen stateside, and now one other person here saying awesome, it is possible you have a lemon. Let's try to figure it out first before just assuming the whole series is junk.
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On the bright side, IRG said they'd cover the guns for any issues for a year. So you should be taken care of.
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One handed operation, like the dlask pistol grip pump shotguns that were deemed handguns and restricted as such.......?
You did mention those before... right?
Btw, the pump action DPMS A15 Panther Pistol is listed as a handgun in 223 and restricted as such in the frt. The lab cites it as being restricted as a handgun, not because it is an AR15 variant.
Also the techno arms mags is a pump action restricted handgun on the frt. In 12ga. Restricted as a handgun as noted in its frt entry.
The legal comments added to pretty much every pump shotgun in the frt (and there are a lot) include these "legal comments" for reference...
this firearm is normally Non-Restricted unless affected by the following conditions: 1) by combining a barrel from a licensed firearms manufacture that is less than 406mm (16.0") in length and a receiver/frame fitted with a pistol grip only, this firearm may be deemed a "handgun" and therefore "RESTRICTED" under the definition of "restricted firearm" in Part III/Firearms and Other Weapons of Section 84 (1) (a) of the Criminal Code of Canada. - "handgun" means a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands.
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Read my whole post. I added more. You mention how the dlask shotgun was viewed, but can't see how that view would be applied to the PAR in a similar format?
Shooting with one hand isn't considered the same act as loading... shoot, cycle, repeat.
In the eyes of the lab, shooting is using the sights and pulling the trigger. Cycling, or even loading, is not shooting.
Emphasis added.
However, if you want to keep ahead of the RCMP and want to turn your PAR into a "DPMS Panther Pistol" and stay "non-restricted" you either need A) a smidgen of a butt-stock, any length should do (which is where the mare's leg gets out) or B) a barrel of 406 mm or more. Even then they do point out, this is their opinion, and not law.
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It wouldn't help if the gun is advertised as a pistol stateside. Or stamped on the receiver as manufactures down there tend to do.
The lab tends to use things like that to determine the "may".
Guess what Troy does to their PAR pistol receivers...
If it is marked as a pistol receiver, it's gonna be restricted as a pistol. Regardless of what anyone adds to it afterwards. Stock or nubs or whatever.
Like every other pistol marked receiver brought into Canada.
Like the XCR pistol and so on.
The best solution would be to just get an unregulated pistol upper for your rifle lower and make sure you have the rifle oal. Forget the hassle of the pistol marked lowers.
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