suggestions for a benchrest .22LR?
- Thread starter Mr. Friendly
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Win 333 was the claim, not just "bulk ammo"
I don't think even a several $1000 Annie could do that well with Win 333, the stuff just isn't that consistent.
I get the odd 5-round one-ragged-hole group with my BSA Martini Model 12 (ca 1930), but it has a (factory) match barrel and chamber. I've even gotten a number of 5-round one-ragged-hole groups and a nickel-sized 9-round group (#10 was a flyer) with my Enfield No8 (ca 1949). All groups were shot at 50 yds with a front rest only, but I wouldn't consider either a serious benchrest rifle. BTW, both rifles have iron aperture/globe sights only, and all my best groups were with Federal Champion 510 and 714 loads in the Martini, and CCI SV and RWS Club in the Enfield No8. Target photos available on request.
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The OP's request was for suggestions for a "bench-rest" .22LR.
I have a CIL-Anschutz 180, a NS522 and a Schultz and Larsen M70. Of the three the M70 is the most accurate. I have scoped the 180 to trial different ammo but usually use the diopter sites, the NS522 does not have irons and I have obviously only used it scoped, but the M70 is not drilled or have scope grooves and comes with diopter sites, and still some of my best groups are with the Schultz and Larsen. Some day I will have it drilled and tapped for a scope and see what it really can do. The Schultz and Larsen comes with a very light trigger (less than a pound). I got mine from site sponsor Tradex. For standing freehand the Anschutz is best, followed closely by the NS522, but the M70 is too front heavy with a 26 inch barrel that is .960" ahead of the action and is .850" at the muzzle, a lot of iron hanging out front!! For a BENCHREST .22 under $500 get a S&L M70, $295 for one in good condition, second choice the NS522 also very accurate and a repeater to boot and then the Annie if you can get one second hand for the right price.
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I have a CIL-Anschutz 180, a NS522 and a Schultz and Larsen M70. Of the three the M70 is the most accurate. I have scoped the 180 to trial different ammo but usually use the diopter sites, the NS522 does not have irons and I have obviously only used it scoped, but the M70 is not drilled or have scope grooves and comes with diopter sites, and still some of my best groups are with the Schultz and Larsen. Some day I will have it drilled and tapped for a scope and see what it really can do. The Schultz and Larsen comes with a very light trigger (less than a pound). I got mine from site sponsor Tradex. For standing freehand the Anschutz is best, followed closely by the NS522, but the M70 is too front heavy with a 26 inch barrel that is .960" ahead of the action and is .850" at the muzzle, a lot of iron hanging out front!! For a BENCHREST .22 under $500 get a S&L M70, $295 for one in good condition, second choice the NS522 also very accurate and a repeater to boot and then the Annie if you can get one second hand for the right price.
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Don't be facetious,,,,you are the only one in our bench rest shooting group who consistently shoots under 1/2" at 50 meters, and it only cost you a small fortune in equipment and ammo.
turbo_bird
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If you don't mind spending a bit over $500 you could also try one of these Schultz and Larsen M61's from Tradex. I think I paid $700 for mine, and it was one of the nicer ones they had.
I still need to try it out from a bench, but just leaning across the hood of my truck it was pretty decent. I have one of the M70's as well, and the M61 makes it feel like a crude toy. Mine has a 1.5 oz set trigger, and the rifle weighs just over 16lbs, so it really doesn't move much when you take a shot. Before I shot it, I had to dry fire it a few times so that I could get used to the trigger and actually touch it lightly enough to not set it off. Tradex had one or two if them listed that were drilled and tapped for scope bases and missing the rear sight for $500 or $550, but I don't know if they're still listed. I had to quit looking or else I would have bought another.
Kristian
I still need to try it out from a bench, but just leaning across the hood of my truck it was pretty decent. I have one of the M70's as well, and the M61 makes it feel like a crude toy. Mine has a 1.5 oz set trigger, and the rifle weighs just over 16lbs, so it really doesn't move much when you take a shot. Before I shot it, I had to dry fire it a few times so that I could get used to the trigger and actually touch it lightly enough to not set it off. Tradex had one or two if them listed that were drilled and tapped for scope bases and missing the rear sight for $500 or $550, but I don't know if they're still listed. I had to quit looking or else I would have bought another.
Kristian
calvados.boulard
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My vote would be for a CZ 455 Varmint. Shoot the #### outta it and when you're ready upgrade the barrel to a Lilja. Gets you in the game for your price point, and leaves you options on the backend.
Thanks,
Cal.
Thanks,
Cal.
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how about a 452 Lux?
damn long barrel.
damn long barrel.
how about a 452 Lux?
damn long barrel.
The Ultra Lux has a 28" barrel, which would make for a great iron sights rifle. Unfortunately, the Lux models have narrow fore stock, which are less desirable for shooting off a rest. The Varmint models of CZ, whether a 452 or 455, have wider fore stocks, which lend themselves to greater stability off a rest or bags.
that's not Anschutz. budget...$500 +/- $100 to start. I'm not against used, but I do prefer new.
You say Benchrest, which alot of us have a different idea of just what that is. So do you have a proposed target your going to shoot, say for score? or are you all about tiny groups? The cost of the rifle can seriously become a mute point after you research your ammo requirements, you can take a $2500 anshutz and feed it winchester bulk ammo and get barn door accuracy at 20 meters, the same can be said for a $250 savage. If your not prepared to take on the responsibility of buying ammo that costs more then you can reload a .223 centerfire case then your hopes and dreams of shooting "benchrest" will never materialize.
A decent off-the-shelf BR-type rifle like an Anschutz can cost $3000! I'll bet the cost of a good rifle can render a lot of people speechless long before researching ammo requirements.
But seriously folks, it is absolutely necessary to use match grade ammo when the point is accuracy.That's pretty much my read too.
Save more money, shop carefully, pounce on the deal when it shows up.
If you are diehard against Anshutz, look for a BSA International of one flavor or another, a Mauser target rimfire, or keep an eye on TradEx's site and watch to see if they bring in any more Krico or Weihrauch target guns, as a couple examples.
A $500 budget is a pretty good start on a decent rear sight for a serious target gun, and about half of a decent starter scope for target use.
Cheers
Trev
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okay, so it seems perhaps 'bench rest' was the incorrect term. I would like to make nice single holes...jagged even, at 50 yards.
I'm thinking about the CZ 455 Varmint...though a Savage Mk II with a bull/varmint barrel just came on up the EE that's grabbed my eye for close to half what the CZ would go for.
I'm thinking about the CZ 455 Varmint...though a Savage Mk II with a bull/varmint barrel just came on up the EE that's grabbed my eye for close to half what the CZ would go for.
Got Juice?
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http://store.prophetriver.com/consign-vostok-22lr-cm2-wd-bl-26-peep-sight-sling-hard-case/
Great deal if you want to start in BR
Great deal if you want to start in BR
This is a nice rifle and a good deal, but mounting a scope on it might be challenging. It's dovetails apparently do not extend onto the front half of the receiver (that's what I was told after inquiring).
Another to consider.
Mossberg 144LSB
7 shot detachable box magazine.
26" heavy barrel. Weight 8 lbs. ( barrel is same size as receiver around 1" no taper)
Pistol grip target stock, beavertail forearm, adjustable and stop, swivels.
Lyman 17A globe front sight, receiver sight is Mossberg S331, they also have a grooved receiver for scope mounting.
Made 1979-1985(there are quite a few folks who say they purchased these rifles as early as 1967)
These can be purchased for $400-500 most of the time. Prices are rising thou.
Mine likes RWS Rifle Target(orange box).
Old school target rifles are worth having a look at for sure.
Pictures borrowed from the net.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=...xkZE36AbZuMTCXW3B2_G8EAg&ust=1467033682998454
Scott...
Mossberg 144LSB
7 shot detachable box magazine.
26" heavy barrel. Weight 8 lbs. ( barrel is same size as receiver around 1" no taper)
Pistol grip target stock, beavertail forearm, adjustable and stop, swivels.
Lyman 17A globe front sight, receiver sight is Mossberg S331, they also have a grooved receiver for scope mounting.
Made 1979-1985(there are quite a few folks who say they purchased these rifles as early as 1967)
These can be purchased for $400-500 most of the time. Prices are rising thou.
Mine likes RWS Rifle Target(orange box).
Old school target rifles are worth having a look at for sure.
Pictures borrowed from the net.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=...xkZE36AbZuMTCXW3B2_G8EAg&ust=1467033682998454
Scott...
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That is a good price.These don't come available too often.
The junior model has a groove the full length of the receiver. The adult version( which looks to be in the picture) is only grooved behind the loading port. The dovetail is 8 mm. When I had my Junior model I took Millet rings and modified the bottom so the clamping feet could come in more. They worked perfectly. It shot well but I didn't get to put the time into it I wanted and think it would have been capable of really good accuracy.I did find it a bit on the light side.
Scott...
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Got Juice?
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Having owned one, I found a cantilevered mount works well with a scope with a good eyebox and eye relief. Sightron comes to mind, or Leupy.
You could have a smith groove the front of the receiver if nothing else. But these are fantastic guns. And as stated, they do not come up very often. Hmmm, how many more .22 rifles do i need......
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