Any updates on Troy Sporting Rifle (PAR)

badboybeeson said:
I should a our 70 rds in one thus weekend.
It's a cool gun.
Forend sucks the rail covers or whatever they are make the forend so big you can't get a good grip on it
When you pump it fast you hand slips off of it
The fluting o the brass is extremely deap almost 20thou on some cases
Hard extraction on many rounds was needed do to sticky cases. Which made for slower pumping.
Prob 500 rds were shot by others from steel case to pmc to reloads
While the stock and upper/lowere and nice and low profile and light. The forend systems sucks
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Maybe have man sized hands?

joking of course, however I have done a lot of research and this is the first complaint I have seen of this issue. I will make up my own mind when mine arrives.
 
badboybeeson said:
Forend sucks the rail covers or whatever they are make the forend so big you can't get a good grip on it
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I wasn't even going to try to get that thing pumping fast without going with a vertical foregrip. You can see my pictures, it was the first thing I did before even taking it out.

badboybeeson said:
While the stock and upper/lowere and nice and low profile and light. The forend systems sucks
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I think I want to take off the sides of the pump rail and replace it with roller bearings like someone on the intarwebs did. They said it moves much smoother.
 
badboybeeson said:
I should a our 70 rds in one thus weekend.
It's a cool gun.
Forend sucks the rail covers or whatever they are make the forend so big you can't get a good grip on it
When you pump it fast you hand slips off of it
The fluting o the brass is extremely deap almost 20thou on some cases
Hard extraction on many rounds was needed do to sticky cases. Which made for slower pumping.
Prob 500 rds were shot by others from steel case to pmc to reloads
While the stock and upper/lowere and nice and low profile and light. The forend systems sucks
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Did you have any rounds that needed a cleaning rod to extract?
 
badboybeeson said:
I should a our 70 rds in one thus weekend.
It's a cool gun.
Forend sucks the rail covers or whatever they are make the forend so big you can't get a good grip on it
When you pump it fast you hand slips off of it
The fluting o the brass is extremely deap almost 20thou on some cases
Hard extraction on many rounds was needed do to sticky cases. Which made for slower pumping.
Prob 500 rds were shot by others from steel case to pmc to reloads
While the stock and upper/lowere and nice and low profile and light. The forend systems sucks
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I didn't have any problems with grasping and maintaining a grip on the forend even when cycling hard to extract cases (62gn 5.56) but I can see it being a concern for somebody with small hands. Also a fair bit of strength was required to deal with sticky cases. Something to consider for smaller statured shooters with somewhat limited upper body strength.

I'll be very curious to see how I make out with 300 BO load development and how sticky the extraction is with various charge weights as I approach book max. Probably not a platform to push the limits of velocity with.
 
Bolivar said:
I didn't have any problems with grasping and maintaining a grip on the forend even when cycling hard to extract cases (62gn 5.56) but I can see it being a concern for somebody with small hands. Also a fair bit of strength was required to deal with sticky cases. Something to consider for smaller statured shooters with somewhat limited upper body strength.

I'll be very curious to see how I make out with 300 BO load development and how sticky the extraction is with various charge weights as I approach book max. Probably not a platform to push the limits of velocity with.
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What brands of ammo have you tried to far? Mine won't extract 5.56 at all without using a cleaning rod. I'm cycling the pump so hard just to extract that it's starting to deform the aluminum hand guard at the back of the slide cut out.
 
ryushi said:
What brands of ammo have you tried to far? Mine won't extract 5.56 at all without using a cleaning rod. I'm cycling the pump so hard just to extract that it's starting to deform the aluminum hand guard at the back of the slide cut out.
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wow this is turning out into a complete pos
 
ryushi said:
I can't speak for anyone else that has one, but my experience with the rifle has been negative so far. The thing is, I like this rifle a lot. I just wish it worked with some sort of reliability.
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Any progress on switching for a new one? Most seem to not be having problems.
 
pretty sad to hear all the issues. I don't think the prototype pump Dlask built had anything remotely close to these types of problems IIRC. Too bad the RCMP said it was restricted
 
ryushi said:
I can't speak for anyone else that has one, but my experience with the rifle has been negative so far. The thing is, I like this rifle a lot. I just wish it worked with some sort of reliability.
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Let me preface e this with saying, i'm no gunsmith or anything. But could it be that the flutes in your chamber are kind of rough cut? And when you fire off a round, the brass fireforms itself into it the small inconsistent pockets in the fluting and make extraction damn near impossible? Maybe your chamber was not polished properly vis a vis new 870 barrels. Maybe you could fix your issues with a buck worth of fine steel wool, some polishing compound and 20 minutes of gently polishing your chamber. Will it work? I have no idea but it might be worth a try at this point. Good luck.
 
Bolivar said:
Ummm, one users rifle is having issues (serious ones for sure) and the whole platform is junk?
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I think the manufacturers response to people having issues is junk. American company designing a rifle around using only imported PMC ammo?

ryushi said:
Well I called Irunguns about my .223 PAR only cycling PMC bronze and not any of the others I tried, he told me that he would call me back later in the day. He calls me back after talking to someone at Troy, and it turns out that the PAR does not function very well with Federal ammo and only use ammo that works in my rifle, which as far as I know is only PMC bronze. He also told me he could do a RMA back to Troy but they would test fire PMC in it and if it functioned properly they would just send it back to me. So I was pretty much told that I would have to live with it and only use PMC bronze which sucks. Also they couldn't do anything about the QD mounts that are out of spec. Not much of a warranty if you ask me. I think I'm going to source a new barrel from Dlask, they might have some left over barrels from the pump action AR's they made several years ago.
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Troy PAR upper receiver stripped down....

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I wonder if a gas tube and a bolt carrier something like this one, with at 18.5 inch barrel would be interesting enough for someone to build...

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Hell, make an upper that matches the lowers profile, and uses an AR180b bolt and gas system and this could be really fun.

Receiver would be unmodified... just an unregulated upper swap.
 
Bolivar said:
I didn't have any problems with grasping and maintaining a grip on the forend even when cycling hard to extract cases (62gn 5.56) but I can see it being a concern for somebody with small hands. Also a fair bit of strength was required to deal with sticky cases. Something to consider for smaller statured shooters with somewhat limited upper body strength.

I'll be very curious to see how I make out with 300 BO load development and how sticky the extraction is with various charge weights as I approach book max. Probably not a platform to push the limits of velocity with.
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19.4gr of H110 under a 110gr Hornady V-max has shot well from all my 300BLK rifles, give it a try :)


I was quite interested in this rifle but the chamber fluting has turned me off completely. I have no idea how a fluted chamber makes any sense. If an AR and pretty much every full auto rifle ever made can cycle perfectly fine with a nice smooth chamber then why would Troy flute the chamber on a pump gun? When I first read it was fluted I thought it was the outside of the chamber to aid in cooling but now I'm just confused as to why they would do that.
As a reloader and after seeing the brass that came out of the rifle posted earlier I won't be buying one of these, at least not until they go to a smooth chamber (if they ever do).

Strange though that the few video reviews I've watched on YouTube have all been very positive. Are we getting something different here from what the US is getting?
 
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I read an internet review (yes I know, everything on line is true!) and the Troy PAR in 300 AAC he had did not have a fluted chamber. It was a USA owner, from late 2015. I shall try to find it again.

Hopefully it will be without, but I will not know for sure until it is delivered.

Candocad.
 
ryushi said:
Well I called Irunguns about my .223 PAR only cycling PMC bronze and not any of the others I tried, he told me that he would call me back later in the day. He calls me back after talking to someone at Troy, and it turns out that the PAR does not function very well with Federal ammo and only use ammo that works in my rifle, which as far as I know is only PMC bronze. He also told me he could do a RMA back to Troy but they would test fire PMC in it and if it functioned properly they would just send it back to me. So I was pretty much told that I would have to live with it and only use PMC bronze which sucks. Also they couldn't do anything about the QD mounts that are out of spec. Not much of a warranty if you ask me. I think I'm going to source a new barrel from Dlask, they might have some left over barrels from the pump action AR's they made several years ago.
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Brian46 said:
So you think a retailer who sells troy products is lying about Troy's response?
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I'm saying the user with the malfunctioning rifle has not talked directly to Troy. Period. If it were me and I got that response from IRG, I would be on the horn direct to Troy to explain the situation and my concerns. That's me though. I'm hoping ryushi can get this resolved because the response he has gotten so far has been "junk" as you said in your previous post Brian. Getting a new rifle that apparently only works properly with one brand of ammo, with out of spec QD points is junk too.
 
Candocad said:
I read an internet review (yes I know, everything on line is true!) and the Troy PAR in 300 AAC he had did not have a fluted chamber. It was a USA owner, from late 2015. I shall try to find it again.

Hopefully it will be without, but I will not know for sure until it is delivered.

Candocad.
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Possibly an aftermarket barrel. A couple of users here have said their 300 BO has fluted chambers. I have a friend in PA with one in 300 and his chamber is fluted too.

Some people say the flutes are to aid extraction, others speculate (I think they are speculating) that it gives the brass room to expand further to deal with higher pressures developed because no gas vents before the bullet leaves the barrel.

Both seem hokey to me but I have no evidence one way or the other. I do wish they were not fluted as brass life will be reduced and for 300 BO I will be primarly hand loading for it I imagine.
 
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