Remove barrel from IUR?
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Right, I'll take that bait.... Never.
I am actually trying to think of something I could care less about, but your opinion tops the list.
While I agree that CSC and every other gunsmith has every right to turn away customers looking for free advice or information to reverse engineer a tool, I also think the prices they charge for a simple IUR barrel change is out of line with the work involved. OP -Ditch the IUR and stick with a standard, good quality floated AR.
As an aside, I once brought in a stripped Swiss Arms upper and the original barrel for a change (no disassembly, sight swapping or reassembly of the upper was required -just a straight barrel swap). I fully expected to be charged the 1 hour flat rate for the 10 minute job, and left butt-hurt when they had the gall to charge 1.5 hours and shop supplies to boot. First and last time their gunsmith gets my business.
As an aside, I once brought in a stripped Swiss Arms upper and the original barrel for a change (no disassembly, sight swapping or reassembly of the upper was required -just a straight barrel swap). I fully expected to be charged the 1 hour flat rate for the 10 minute job, and left butt-hurt when they had the gall to charge 1.5 hours and shop supplies to boot. First and last time their gunsmith gets my business.
That doesn't actually even show the pin I'm wondering about, very odd.
If you look at the pic, on the upper just above (as shown in the pic, not where they are installed) item 17, you'll see a small hole on the receiver side. Is there a pin in there? What's the purpose of that hole? Very odd it's not on the parts list
I wouldn't even say reverse engineer a tool.... But yea, that's fair..... ButThe fact that they have no interest in helping the community. I get that you run a business to make money. Hands down. But there's also a customer service aspect that was very lacking when I (and apparently you) went in. 1.5 hours plus shop supplies to do a job that requires no shop supplies and ten minutes? That's bunk.
I'm in the process of making the tool anyways. I found out what it is, and it will be very simple to machine. I'll post up a thread when its done.
And yea I'm a little tempted to go with a traditional upper, but I like the way this one looks and there will be no disadvantage to it once I've had it apart and back together. I'll be able to do that as needed.
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What if their reply was:
"Sure we can absolutely show and tell you how to do that, lets see when our gunsmith is free. Our rates for seminars and courses are 100$\hour 1 hour minimum. How will you be paying sir?"
Would that have been better?
"Sure we can absolutely show and tell you how to do that, lets see when our gunsmith is free. Our rates for seminars and courses are 100$\hour 1 hour minimum. How will you be paying sir?"
Would that have been better?
I don't know much about gun industries, gun smith thing but back to my everyday day's business, when a fridge mechanic came to my restaurant, they're happy to give us some free advice, thing to do and not do, to maintain the fridge, proper tool and explain everything in detail and yes, they charged 100 $ per hour as well.
Thing change dramatically nowadays.
Thing change dramatically nowadays.
Nope, that pin holds the dust cover hinge in to the receiver
Yea, actually, it would have been. I wouldn't mind paying a good gunsmith for an hour of his time to get some expert advice. Hell, I'd probably pay him for two or three hours of his time! To be able to sit down and learn from someone who's done it for years, maybe even see some examples of what he would be talking about doing... yup, I'd have taken them up on that.
Didn't expect that answer....I presume?
First of all I apologize for not having seen this sooner.
With respect to visiting the gunsmith, he does not have slow times. He and his assistant each work 40+ hours per week. They are currently about 6 weeks behind on projects. Every day the staff at the front of the store do their best to deflect visit requests so that work can get completed. It just is not possible to book "chats".
We are sorry that he does not have time to sit and spend time giving advice to those that seek it, but it isn't his job and he truly does not have time. And this applies to members, customers and strangers alike.
It is unfortunate that you consider this disrespectful but we also have a duty to finish customer work in as timely a manner as possible.
That's totally fair, and I probably jumped the gun a little bit much to be honest. I was taken aback by the reversal in "yea, absolutely you can have a look at what we use to remove them" to "no dice, can't even see it, if you want to pull that barrel you can pay". Just seemed like quite the reversal, when a customer came in and wanted some friendly advice, even from the regular employee.
And I do understand, for sure, that the smiths are busy guys. No doubt. I guess it was the attitude I was given that didn't sit well.
But again, fair enough. I apologize for the rant.. I'd edit it but at this point it's pointless... it's been quoted by others. Hopefully my apology will suffice.
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I made my own wrench.
Mind posting a pic of what you made?
I ended up making three of them, all of which have failed to undo the barrel nut. This might be better moving over to the gunsmithing area at this point, but c'est la vie.
First wrench that failed, I kind of expected it wouldn't work - it only had two teeth on it. I had hoped that I could get away with that. Clearly not, so I made one with four teeth, and the teeth just bent then sheered. The third attempt, I made a better effort to measure the exact dimensions (as exact as you can on that upper) of the notches on the nut, and cut four teeth to almost exactly match. I had to fit the wrench after I had milled it because of how close the fit was. I tried to harden it, but my bigger torch isn't at my current house, so I wasn't likely able to harden it enough (that and it is just black pipe, so the hardenability is likely marginal if existent at all). Even that tool saw the teeth start to bend and then partially sheer.
Thinking I'm going to have to do a proper tool with 8 teeth.
But that barrel looks great on there. I'd love to get mine done like that, and save this longer barrel maybe for another upper. We'll see.
Yep - that's a good look for sure. 10.5"?
