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308 Winchester Load Development Part-2: 175-grain Sierra Matchking, Varget and Reloader 15

Posted on December 20, 2014 by Rifleshooter in Cartridge Selection, Reloading // 0 Comments



22″ 308 Winchester Load Development Part-2.
This the second trip to the range working up a load for my 308 Winchester. On the first trip, I shot two, five-shot groups of each load. While it provides more data, I felt I was wasting time and money with the bad loads- last trip’s groups best group was .452″ and overall group size averaged .843″- not bad- but not great. This time around and being low on brass, I only shot one 5-shot (or in two instances, 3-shot) group for each load. I also worked up some Reloader 15 loads as well.
You can read about my first trip here: 308 Winchester Load Development: 175-grain Sierra Matchking and Varget
The rifle was built with the following parts from Brownells:


If you’d like to read about how the rifle was built, please see:

I selected long proven match quality components: 175-grain Sierra Matchking (SMK) bullets, Lapua brass, Hodgdon Varget powder, Reloader 15 powder and Wolf large rifle primers.
The Lapua brass I am using has been fired once in this rifle. Cases were neck sized, trimmed to length and cleaned in an ultrasonic cleaner. Charges were dispensed using an RCBS Chargemaster.
Ballistic information was recorded with a Magnetospeed V3 barrel mounted ballistic chronograph. All velocity information presented below.

WARNING: The loads shown are for informational purposes only. They are only safe in the rifle shown and may not be safe in yours. Consult appropriate load manuals prior to developing your own handloads. Rifleshooter.com and its authors, do not assume any responsibility, directly or indirectly for the safety of the readers attempting to follow any instructions or perform any of the tasks shown, or the use or misuse of any information contained herein, on this website.
308 WINCHESTER 22” Barrel- 1XF Lapua Brass 2.832” OAL WARNING: For reference, read disclaimer above, only safe in test gun
LoadBulletPowderPrimerVelocity (FPS)SDDistanceShotsGroup size
3175 SMKVarget 43.6Wolf LR261913.0100 yds5.583
6175 SMKVarget 44.5Wolf LR267215.8100 yds5.497
6175 SMKVarget 44.5Wolf LR267215.8100 yds5.373
7175 SMKVarget 44.8Wolf LR267812.5100 yds5.280
8175 SMKVarget 45.0Wolf LR269711.4100 yds5.552
11175 SMKRL15 42.1Wolf LR24535.5100 yds5.644
12175 SMKRL15 42.4Wolf LR24653.3100 yds51.007
13175 SMKRL15 42.7Wolf LR250010.0100 yds5.603
14175 SMKRL15 43.0Wolf LR25228.1100 yds3.274
15175 SMKRL15 43.3Wolf LR254413.6100 yds3.548
AVG.536
All groups were fired prone, from a bipod with a rear bag. The load numbers are asynchronous and used as a reference in my reloading log books. The first group for load #6 includes the cold bore shot.
Range conditions were overcast and 33F. No wind.
The best 5-shot group of the day, 280″ at 100 yards (.267 MOA).
The rifle liked the higher end of Varget the best. The lower left group includes the cold bore shot.

Here are all the groups I fired on this trip (above).
It appears that my rifle prefers the higher end of Varget loads. The Reloader 15 didn’t give the velocities I was expecting, but it was pretty cold. I’ll be conducting further testing on load #7 at distance and see how it performs.
 
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Lots of folks say the 308 doesn't shoot heavy bullets.
Frankly, mine won't shoot anything over 165gr to any kind of consistency. I'd like to see this setup shoot 220's.

Enjoy.


BTW mine is used for hunting, and 165 suits me just fine, as to me anyway, it's more balistically efficient than other weights.
 
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Hey John,

My current setup is very similar to yours but I'm still using the factory Remington 5R barrel, 24". Shot .2 and .3 MOA groups with 175 and 185 Bergers at 2800 and 2700 fps respectively. My barrel is a 1:11.25 twist. I loaded some Berger 210s with CFE223 just for fun and got some .625" groups at 2480 fps. HSM makes a round like that. Would make a decent under 300 yards hunting load, but I sold the 210s I had left. That was all before a pillar bedding job, my rifle is grounded pending me getting the pillars in the mail and getting the job done. I also use an M-Pod to test my reloads, very stable. Looking on several previous groups I noticed my good ones all suffer from horizontal stringing, which is probably due to shooter error and the lack of proper bedding.

I had very similar results with Sierra SMKs. Hornady A-Max don't work so well for some reason. The Bergers are the fastest by 20-30 fps. 175s and 185s have always worked well for me, even in my previous 1:12" .308.

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Nice workup so far. Next I would take varget loads #6 #7 and #8 to 300 yards and fire 10 round groupings. With 10 rounds at 300 yards the bullets will spread out a bit and you will have more holes letting you see more destinctive shot patterns. Look for the load that gives you the least vertical deviation. Also if you get a nice cluster of 9 rounds with one round outside of it, you definitively know you pulled that one shot.
 
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This thread title was misleading. For 308, 185gr bullet is barely what should be called "heavy".

215 hybrid over 48gr H4350 in my FTR rifle with throat cut for these bullets.
 
I have competed with 230gr bullets out of my 308.

That is great shooting and this Shilen certainly wants to shoot very well. Good luck with longer distance tuning.. the right load will become VERY obvious at 200 and 300yds

Enjoy

Jerry
 
I have competed with 230gr bullets out of my 308.

That is great shooting and this Shilen certainly wants to shoot very well. Good luck with longer distance tuning.. the right load will become VERY obvious at 200 and 300yds

Enjoy

Jerry

Same here.

I use the Berger 230gr OTM in the .30-06 with very good results. 61.5gr H1000 ,Norma Brass.


I am working on a 208gr AMAX load and a 225gr BTHP load for the .308
 
Lots of folks say the 308 doesn't shoot heavy bullets.
Frankly, mine won't shoot anything over 165gr to any kind of consistency. I'd like to see this setup shoot 220's.

Enjoy.



BTW mine is used for hunting, and 165 suits me just fine, as to me anyway, it's more balistically efficient than other weights.

Mine only come into theur own at 168gr and hit peak at 190.
 
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