Opinions wanted, looking for my first whitetail deer gun, 25-06 or 243, 270 Win
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USSR : " About 10 years ago, myself and another guy (MontanaMarine) on Sniper's Hide worked on developing a heavy bullet .30-06 load that basically duplicated the Federal Gold Medal .300WM Match load (190SMK at 2900fps). I cannot begin to tell you the criticism we faced for doing this. Comments from "can't be done" to "just get a .300WM". We both soon came to the realization that if any powder was going to get us there and remain within the .30-06's 60k psi pressure level, it would be RL22. Quick Load software gave us an idea as to how much powder we could use, and the beauty of using this powder is, it's hard to get enough powder in the .30-06 case to get into trouble with it. I used 60.7gr of RL22 in Lapua brass with a Fed 210M primer to reach 2900fps, and my friend MontanaMarine used 61+gr in the much lighter Norma brass to reach 2900fps. I used this load from 2003 to 2006 in 1,000 yard F Class Competition. As I recall, this load required dialing in 30MOA from a 100 yard zero to reach 1k. I have some Norma brass that I hope to team up with RL22 and some 208gr Amax's sometime this summer. I will be interesting to see what kind of velocity is attainable with those big boys."
That must be the problem? I don't think it sucks, I know it does.
There is a difference.
Good thing what I know to be true, should have no impact on what anyone else chooses to do, as they may just know something else?
The thread was about a choice of cartridges for shooting deer. Nothing more, nothing less.
If anyone thinks that any of the choices just plain flat wouldn't work, well, that's probably a different discussion, as they all will more than handily kill deer.
Carry on.
R.
I also bashed the 270. I don't see anyone trying to say that it will outperform a 7mm Rem Mag?
The reason? Mumbles got it a few pages ago.
And it isn't the calibre, it's the sucky case that pushes bullets and holds powder... just sayin.
Being all cereal and all, now...
Your goat? I have it. Now I don't want it anymore. Would you like it back?
Thanks.
R.
Stop bashing calibres, especially the 270 and the .30-06.
Going on a forum and telling people that 2 of the most versatile hunting calibres ever "suck" is not a contribution.
Saying that the 270 and the .30-06 "suck" is FALSE and a bad attempt at trolling.
I still have your goat. I still don't want it.
Going on a forum and exclaiming that the 270 and 30-06 are two of the best cartridges (not calibers...again) isn't much of a contribution either? If it works one way, it must work the other?
Please re-read what I wrote, about what I know to be true. It's only what I know. Right?
I also wrote that everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Please take your goat back.
I'm done here. If the thread can get back on track, that would be good. I didn't mean for it to come quite this far off the rails.
I'll also say again, that I know the .243 to be one sinister deer cartridge. Others also know different.
R.
Mumbles Marble Mouth
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If you were to shoot an elephant with a .270, it would liquefy the animal. If you were to shoot a squirrel with a .300 win mag, It would bounce off its nuts.
Mumbles Marble Mouth
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You can't compare them. The .270 will out perform the world. How can you compare a pellet gun to the world?
The 30-06 must suck to some extent, you're putting yours under extreme stress in hopes of coming close to an anemic 300 win mag load.
I'm all about heavy for caliber match bullets at high velocity....for fun and competition. But why people chose the wrong cartridge for the job...hot rod the balls off it and then praise it as better than the next step up in cartridge volume is beyond me. If you like the 30-06 for LR you might like this....someone on here recently told me the 7-08 can match the 7 rem.
As for the best whitetail cartridge of the three choices...I think its close between the .270 and the .243. Slight edge to the .243 for the shorter action.
LMAO!! Your posts remind me of the ford fteenthousand bit from youtube.
Mumbles Marble Mouth
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In actual honesty here guys, Not trolling this time, if you look at a box of Federal Premium, ya ya factory ammo what ever, Trophy Bonded Bear Claw 200gr in both the 30-06 and the 300wm, Federal actually shows on the box that the 30-06 out performs the 300 win mag for the first 200 yards and the 300wm is only 100fps faster from the muzzle. Its probably a printing mistake but cereally, next time you're in a gun store and they have the two types of ammo, check them out.
H1000 pushing a 230gr Berger is a very low pressure round, with extremely long barrel life.
G1 BC of .718 at 2620fps, yes it outperforms many factory .300 Win Mag loads.
Factory .30-06 loads are mild, it was downloaded to work in the garand.
Many have pushed the 190 SMK at 2920fps out of the .30-06 , that's .300 Win Mag performance, fact.
It's not "better" the point I proved is that it does not "suck"
G1 BC of .718 at 2620fps, yes it outperforms many factory .300 Win Mag loads.
Factory .30-06 loads are mild, it was downloaded to work in the garand.
Many have pushed the 190 SMK at 2920fps out of the .30-06 , that's .300 Win Mag performance, fact.
It's not "better" the point I proved is that it does not "suck"
I think you have some serious issues somewhere between your ears.
