Beowulf vs. LAR mags

peterrunsguns said:
Beowulf mags are now required to be pinned to 2 50 cal rounds and so that makes it pinned to 5 .223 rounds. LAR pistol mags have not been subjected to RCMP changes.....yet
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wrong, original AA beowulf mags are not affected by that ruling, only a specific type of beowulf magazine

with 7 posts... good for you bro
 
If you have access to the FRT table, you can look up #121656. it is the number for a 50 Beowulf rifle, But to save you some time:

The "Canadian Law Comments" section says for FRT #121656.

In the case of AR platform rifles chambered for the 50 Beowulf calibre, the magazine is adapted from the original 5.56x45 NATO version of the magazine but the ability of the magazine to perform as originally designed has not been compromised by the adaption. As a result such magazines are prohibited if they contain more than five 5.56x45 NATO cartridges. The magazines are in effect dual calibre magazines and are prohibited if they exceed five shots capacity of either calibre. An AR platform magazine limited to no more than five 5.56x45 NATO (223 Remington) cartridges will hold no more than two 50 Beowulf cartridges.

not saying I agree with this, but that is in the table now, the people who wrote it are the sole authority on all gun legalities in Canada since the Liberals came to office.
 
tomo333 said:
Why the heck would anyone (club) limit magazine capacity other then to legal limits?
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Why indeed! But isn't this the exact same thing some 3gun matches (or the OAS shotgun series for example) are doing wrt shotguns? What is the rationale for limiting shotgun "magazine capacity other then to legal limits"? I presume it is the same reason Stevo has given but I honestly don't know.
 
Brian46 said:
If you have access to the FRT table, you can look up #121656. it is the number for a 50 Beowulf rifle, But to save you some time:

The "Canadian Law Comments" section says for FRT #121656.

In the case of AR platform rifles chambered for the 50 Beowulf calibre, the magazine is adapted from the original 5.56x45 NATO version of the magazine but the ability of the magazine to perform as originally designed has not been compromised by the adaption. As a result such magazines are prohibited if they contain more than five 5.56x45 NATO cartridges. The magazines are in effect dual calibre magazines and are prohibited if they exceed five shots capacity of either calibre. An AR platform magazine limited to no more than five 5.56x45 NATO (223 Remington) cartridges will hold no more than two 50 Beowulf cartridges.

not saying I agree with this, but that is in the table now, the people who wrote it are the sole authority on all gun legalities in Canada since the Liberals came to office.
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Yes thank you Brian for posting this yet AGAIN. :rolleyes: It might also be worth mentioning that a few people have had their Beowulf mags confiscated by the RCMP only to have them returned to them in short order and any charges dropped.

Can you please post a pic of your Beo mags pinned to 2 rounds? I've never seen a mag pinned to 2 and am curious as to how you did that.
 
Runningfool said:
Yes thank you Brian for posting this yet AGAIN.
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again? I think you have me confused with rommelrommel, the only time it has been posted before now

Can you please post a pic of your Beo mags pinned to 2 rounds? I've never seen a mag pinned to 2 and am curious as to how you did that.
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it looks identical to where a pin sits on a mag when it is limited to 5rnds of 556.

It might also be worth mentioning that a few people have had their Beowulf mags confiscated by the RCMP only to have them returned to them in short order and any charges dropped.
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according to what was posted here online, but no file number or documents were ever posted stating as to why charges were dropped and property returned, but it is only a matter of time before someone gets charged and decides to take a plea deal rather than lawyering up for a fight.
 
Brian46 said:
again? I think you have me confused with rommelrommel, the only time it has been posted before now...
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No, I didn't mean that info specifically, I meant your chicken little input to every Beowulf mag thread.

Brian46 said:
...it is only a matter of time before someone gets charged and decides to take a plea deal rather than lawyering up for a fight
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As we are both aware, two people have been charged but neither one had to take a plea deal and no one had to lawyer up; they simply had to wait a few days for the RCMP to return their Beo mags and had the charges dropped. I'm not an RCMP officer but I find it hard to imagine they routinely return prohibited devices to people.

Maybe in the future someone will have to lawyer up or may have to take a plea deal but until then, let's quit doing the anti's job for them by frightening each other.
 
Runningfool said:
As we are both aware, two people have been charged but neither one had to take a plea deal and no one had to lawyer up; they simply had to wait a few days for the RCMP to return their Beo mags and had the charges dropped. I'm not an RCMP officer but I find it hard to imagine they routinely return prohibited devices to people.
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the one who posted on this forum and provided no details consulted a lawyer who contacted the RCMP on his behalf according to what was posted.

I personally don't believe any of it as you get paperwork when charges are dropped, even a file number so these instances can be used in future by gun owners who find themselves in the same situation.

We have zero details of what happened after the initial arrest and charges, not even confirmation it ever happened in the first place as there seems to be no record anywhere that I can find

If you have ever had personal property seized by the police you know that by law they have to provide you with a detailed receipt that lists your property that was taken and that document has a file number on it.
 
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Runningfool said:
Why indeed! But isn't this the exact same thing some 3gun matches (or the OAS shotgun series for example) are doing wrt shotguns? What is the rationale for limiting shotgun "magazine capacity other then to legal limits"? I presume it is the same reason Stevo has given but I honestly don't know.
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Last I checked the OAS series was not limiting shotgun capacity in any way other than legal limit. In standard and standard manual you can START with a maximum of 9 rounds in the gun, but after the buzzer you can load you gun as much as you want up to legal limits. The 9 round starting capacity is a pretty standard rule even in the US.
Plenty of pump gunners are running in the OAS with longer mag tubes with as much capacity as they want.
 
sly mantis said:
Last I checked the OAS series was not limiting shotgun capacity in any way other than legal limit. In standard and standard manual you can START with a maximum of 9 rounds in the gun, but after the buzzer you can load you gun as much as you want up to legal limits. The 9 round starting capacity is a pretty standard rule even in the US.
Plenty of pump gunners are running in the OAS with longer mag tubes with as much capacity as they want.
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True, but the isn't the principle the same as what Stevo is talking about?
 
grimblyd said:
My options are

10 rnd pinned LAR magazine for $25/each
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Just wanted to Clarify something. The LAR-15 mags are not pinned they are a 10 round body. This does make a difference. This means when you put the 10th round in the spring is at full compression and it puts a lot of pressure on the feed lips. Some guns are fine with that. Others have issues stripping the first round off. If you go with the 10 round mags over the beowulfs I would recommend something that uses a 20 round body pinned to 10 like the AT-15 mags, not the LAR-15 mags.
 
After reviewing everyone's input, I've decided to go with the Beowulf mags. Think I'm going to break the piggy bank and buy 4, then I'll carry a 5 rnder as well as back up if I have too many mag dumps. If 3 gun is simulating real world scenarios, I'll just have to accept that I lost the scenario if I have to drop too many mags due to equipment jams etc!
 
Great choice. I was also wondering the same thing and I also went with 3 of them and I also have 2 factory 5 round mags as backup. Where did you buy yours from?
 
Make sure you get the metal AA beo mags. The polymer varieties all seem to have fairly weak / flexible sides that can cause problems inserting and feeding.
 
sam burton said:
For anyone in the North Okanagan, Dels gun shop in Vernon, a sponsor here, has metal Beowulf mags in stock for under $30 ( plus tax).
I picked up a couple yesterday.
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30 rounders pinned to 5? Do want, but Del doesn't seem to have a website or e-mail contact? Phone in only? Google is not my friend today.
 
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