I just got back from Paris and have a supply of pins and patch. They are available only to CNSCA members. BTW this 2016 World was one of the best ever event even with the Thursday to Friday 13.15 rains. Unfortunately, I had a previous hip injury that got worse in Cassino and then on a horse in the Abruzzo national park. The rains caused a goalie split that injured the other leg. We were only three Canadians at this world event. As a side note, Canadians shooting NSCA sanctioned events in Canada are NOT eligible to shoot any regional, World Cup or World Championship FITASC events. We have our own national federation, the CNSCA which has the license for FITASC events in Canada.
FITASC Pins and Sew on Patch
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There's been an ongoing pissing match between CNSCA and NSCA for some time now. It's an open question how the CNSCA would know if someone shot an NSCA event in Canada and therefore "ban" a shooter from FITASC. Not that it matters all that much the FITASC shoots at our club don't draw flies.
To clarify what hnachaj is saying, in order to shoot FITASC events, FITASC requires you to be a member of the association that holds the FITASC license for your country. That's it. It's that simple.
If you are a Canadian shooting FITASC, you must be a member of the CNSCA because the CNSCA holds the FITASC license for Canada.
If you are an American shooting FITASC, you must be a member of the NSCA because the NSCA holds the FITASC license for the USA.
You can be a member of both associations and you can shoot FITASC in both associations. A Canadian that shoots NSCA is NOT excluded from shooting FITASC itasc.
But a being a member of the NSCA does not entitle a Canadian to compete in FITASC - they still have to be a member of the CNSCA.
Just like an American that joins the CNSCA would not be entitled to shoot FITASC without having an NSCA membership.
Because FITASC requires you to be a member of the association that holds the FITASC license for your country
If you are a Canadian shooting FITASC, you must be a member of the CNSCA because the CNSCA holds the FITASC license for Canada.
If you are an American shooting FITASC, you must be a member of the NSCA because the NSCA holds the FITASC license for the USA.
You can be a member of both associations and you can shoot FITASC in both associations. A Canadian that shoots NSCA is NOT excluded from shooting FITASC itasc.
But a being a member of the NSCA does not entitle a Canadian to compete in FITASC - they still have to be a member of the CNSCA.
Just like an American that joins the CNSCA would not be entitled to shoot FITASC without having an NSCA membership.
Because FITASC requires you to be a member of the association that holds the FITASC license for your country
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The CNSCA doesn't care if someone shoots an NSCA event in Canada. And they wouldn't "ban" someone from FITASC. However not being a member of your home association could present problems when registering for events - or being entitled to any awards if you won. If you won an award at an International FITASC competition and were not a member of your home association then FITASC would likely strip you of the award as you were not a valid FITASC competitor.
To explain a bit more, one must be a CNSCA member to shoot a Grand Prix, Americas GP or US National FITASC in the US or in ANY foreign member FITASC country shoot. Shooting a regional FITASC in the US without being a CNSCA membership can have you banned by FITASC. I have had the opportunity to shoot several African FITASC shoots in Morocco and South Africa. I have also shot a good number of European FITASC shoots. Since 2004 when Canada became a member of FITASC, the only way to shoot outside of some small club shoots is to become a member of our Canadian clay shooting association and NOT of a foreign organisation such as NSCA.
Doug The Canuck
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And CNSCA is really the Alberta Sporting Clays Association set up to allow Canadian Shooters to shoot FITASC outside of Canada.
It's really a joke, but politics is politics.
What a complete pant load. It explains why why a FITASC shoot in Ontario draws barely enough people for a pick-up softball game.
Doug The Canuck
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And because Galt is in a pissing match with NSCA Canada, and vice versa, they are starting to shoot super sporting instead of FITASC.
Yup. The main players in that pissing match have done a great job in dissuading people from shooting registered events. Meanwhile, a much smaller club in the area is bringing in 100-130 shooters once a month for a hunter's clay shoot. No drama, good targets, decent folks and lots of fun. I know where I will be on Sunday.
The people running the Alberta Sporting Clays Association created the CNSCA but the CNSCA is a separate organization altogether with Directors from across Canada. The Alberta Association still exists and they have supported both CNSCA and NSCA shoots.
The real joke is Canadian shooters that want to give money to the US so that US NSCA team can travel and so that the US NSCA champ gets a bigger purse. Not just that, but some are adamantly opposed to supporting a Canadian-based association.
If you want to support the sport in Canada then support a Canadian organization that supports Canadian shooters.
Maybe you believe we should just cancel the CFL? What does Canada need with a Canadian football association? Maybe you believe we should just abandon the Canadian Olympic Hockey Team? Why do we bother sending Canadian athletes to the Olympics at all? Maybe you believe we should just let the US run that stuff and Canadians should just watch Americans win International shoots and American teams compete.
Doug The Canuck
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And how do you do that? I can't find a way to join.
If I do join, what good is it to me if I don't travel internationally? There is no classification system, so non-NSCA shoots just become lewis class if you want to award prize money.
I am an NSCA member because I shoot all winter in Florida in registered shoots, I've shot the US Open 3 times, and the Nationals twice.
I was the first Canadian delegate to NSCA before RJ and Barry.
I'll join anything that will advance the sport.
CNSCA offers a lot to Albertan shooters because there are lots of different shooting venues. From say April/May to End of August there is a shoot or more every weekend. I used to live in Alberta and did enjoy shooting there. I live in Vancouver now and there are not that many CNSCA tourney here unless you want to drive 4 hours. I prefer to shoot NSCA in Washington state because there are lots of different shoots every weekend not because I want to sponsor their shooters. It is more for convenience. If I would still be living in Edmonton trust me I would shoot CNSCA.
You can join online at cnsca.ca
What good does it do you? First of all, the CNSCA tracks the scores of all its members and provides national ranking of those members with a classification system based on averages. It may or may not be better than a punch system, but it is a system. And for the most part, the members are happy with it. You are classed based on your level of skill compared to the rest of the Canada. If you are in the top 10% of shooters in Canada then you are classed as Masters. The next 15% are AA. Then next 15% are A, etc.
The CNSCA also provides medals for all registered shoots.
Also, half of all revenues (from both membership and target fees) generated in a province go back to that provincial association to help them promote the sport in that province. Currently there are provincial associations in BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan. Manitoba has said their provincial association will be up by the end of the year.
If you shoot regularly in the US then you absolutely should remain an active member of the NSCA. You should support the association in the country you shoot. When I start to shoot in the US I will join the NSCA. But to help grow the sport in Canada, a Canadian association that uses target fees and membership fees for the benefit of Canadians is needed.
The NSCA will not spend money in Canada. All of the money Canadians give to the NSCA by way of target fees and memberships go to help support the American association and fund the American team.
The Canadian Association is made up of volunteers. Unlike the NSCA, no one in the CNSCA collects a paycheck and no one is benefiting financially. The efforts they put in are solely for the love of the game and for the belief that they can make it better.
The Canadian Association attempts to put together an annual schedule of registered events in Canada that allows shooters to participate across the country. It maintains a shoot calendar and provides clubs with online registration for their events.
The CNSCA isn't perfect but it is only 6 years old. The NSCA started in 1990? I would like to compare the CNSCA to the NSCA in 1996. I would like to think that the CNSCA is farther ahead at 6 years old than the NSCA was at that age. And I look forward to seeing the CNSCA mature to what I believe it is capable of becoming - an organization of Canadian shooters across the country - for Canadian shooters across the country.
Hi folks!
I'm a member of both organizations (NSCA and CNSCA) and enjoy shooting matches under each banner. I maintain NSCA standing so I can travel to the US with classification/standing within their system, and I super-enjoy travelling around western Western Canada with my lovely bride to shoot registered events under the CNSCA roof. We've met many NSCA shooters who travel to Canada to shoot our CNSCA matches, and we know many Canadian shooters who shoot Canadian-hosted NSCA matches so they have standing when they go to the US. All of the folks we meet seem to have a genuine love of clay shooting, and I enjoy exploring the differences not only in our shooting styles, but also the nuances of both the similarities and differences between our respective organizations.
At the various clay events I've attended, I've met and shared many a laugh with Canadians from coast-to-coast. I've shot with folks from British Columbia, my home province of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec, the North West Territories, the Yukon, Nova Scotia, and just a couple weeks ago enjoyed a couple rounds with a fascinating Krieghoff-wielding clay-annialating demon from Newfoundland. Ontario, New Brunswick, and PEI are the only provinces remaining whose citizens I've yet to meet on the clay course. I've also met a growing number of Americans who travel north to partake in our events - I'm grateful they come and deeply enjoy asking about and exploring their lives as we spend a couple of days together on a clay course.
Regarding the unfortunate spectre of politics, I'm sorry but I disagree with those who feel compelled to discredit and cast shadows on the efforts of others. I've met and talked with CNSCA executive and directors from all across Canada, and my distinct feeling is that they genuinely want and work towards growing a national Canadian organization, and the nature of the organization they're building reflects great inclusiveness. Sometimes there is passionate disagreement with respect to which approach or direction is best on certain issues, but of the 11 directors I've talked with from across the country, I strongly believe that to a tee they all share a deep passion for the sport I love so much and are keen to navigate our path forward in that most Canadian of ways - together.
Hope to meet you all sometime on a clay-course somewhere,
Cheers,
Brobee
I'm a member of both organizations (NSCA and CNSCA) and enjoy shooting matches under each banner. I maintain NSCA standing so I can travel to the US with classification/standing within their system, and I super-enjoy travelling around western Western Canada with my lovely bride to shoot registered events under the CNSCA roof. We've met many NSCA shooters who travel to Canada to shoot our CNSCA matches, and we know many Canadian shooters who shoot Canadian-hosted NSCA matches so they have standing when they go to the US. All of the folks we meet seem to have a genuine love of clay shooting, and I enjoy exploring the differences not only in our shooting styles, but also the nuances of both the similarities and differences between our respective organizations.
At the various clay events I've attended, I've met and shared many a laugh with Canadians from coast-to-coast. I've shot with folks from British Columbia, my home province of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec, the North West Territories, the Yukon, Nova Scotia, and just a couple weeks ago enjoyed a couple rounds with a fascinating Krieghoff-wielding clay-annialating demon from Newfoundland. Ontario, New Brunswick, and PEI are the only provinces remaining whose citizens I've yet to meet on the clay course. I've also met a growing number of Americans who travel north to partake in our events - I'm grateful they come and deeply enjoy asking about and exploring their lives as we spend a couple of days together on a clay course.
Regarding the unfortunate spectre of politics, I'm sorry but I disagree with those who feel compelled to discredit and cast shadows on the efforts of others. I've met and talked with CNSCA executive and directors from all across Canada, and my distinct feeling is that they genuinely want and work towards growing a national Canadian organization, and the nature of the organization they're building reflects great inclusiveness. Sometimes there is passionate disagreement with respect to which approach or direction is best on certain issues, but of the 11 directors I've talked with from across the country, I strongly believe that to a tee they all share a deep passion for the sport I love so much and are keen to navigate our path forward in that most Canadian of ways - together.
Hope to meet you all sometime on a clay-course somewhere,
Cheers,
Brobee
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"If I do join, what good is it to me if I don't travel internationally? There is no classification system, so non-NSCA shoots just become lewis class if you want to award prize money."
Certainly CNSCA has a classification system and prizes are awarded based on that system. At most CNSCA sanctioned events there are prizes for HOA, 3 deep in Master to E class, 3 deep n 5 concurrent classes and depending on the club, 3 deep in Hunter Class for those who are not CNSCA members. Check out the rule book on the CNSCA web site.
Certainly CNSCA has a classification system and prizes are awarded based on that system. At most CNSCA sanctioned events there are prizes for HOA, 3 deep in Master to E class, 3 deep n 5 concurrent classes and depending on the club, 3 deep in Hunter Class for those who are not CNSCA members. Check out the rule book on the CNSCA web site.
