RCMP "E" Division Broadcast reguarding Ruger 10/22 rifle magazines.

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Mr Wolverine said:
I might consider it, but I have very little faith in petitions. What disturbs me is the fact that our firearms community as a whole runs scared of authority, gun owners and dealers fail to understand our system or how the law works. If the CFO says jump everyone replies "How high?" instead of replying "Why?"

When it was rumoured that the CZ 858 was going to be made prohibited I had customers chop them up and then demand I compensate them?

Look at this current nonsense, all this panic because of a document from the RCMP which I suspect has no legal standing? If we allow ourselves to be bullied like this why bother with a petition, take the facts and go meet your MP, now if we all did that?

Currently I hear of dealers taking these mags off their shelves! Why? Did they ask to see any new regulation or OIC in writing? Why is the importer not bringing in more mags?

As for our shooting organisations? Words fail me! It makes me weep sometimes at the lack of education and unity amongst us all.
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This has been my experience over the years with firearms owners, clubs and business's, Thank you for standing up John, you have my full support. We need to be loud on this one, as many people as we can get to write in letters to mps and even the senate.

The lists of mp's and senators is posted in the firearms reclassification area.

Can anyone confirm that this has been sent to any other division?

Has this been given to the media yet?
 
An easy fix would be...

If you own a Ruger Charger pistol (and I do not think they are very common up here)...and being restricted the RCMP know all who do...THEN if you own any 10/22 magazines over 10 rounds they must be pinned...send out a letter to those owners.

***OR***

STOP ASS-uming the legal gun owners who jumped through many hoops and pass daily background checks are all mass murders and cop killers!!! It is proven we are some of the best members of society, our likelihood of comminting ANY crimes are significantly less then the average Joe...

If you do not even own the pistol...how are you gonna use them in the pistol?! *sigh*

The things are bulky, ugly and lack iron sights...most people who own them in the USA do so for small game hunting/backpacking with a small red dot or scope on top...totally (sadly) illegal here with that anyways.
 
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frankiet said:
as a retailer of this product, could wolverine contact the manufacturers and get them involved legally. They have deeper pockets and probably have legal counsel on payroll.

Rcmp pulls this crap because they know that the average owner has neither the means, nor inclination to fight. The manufacturers have a financial vested interest. This change is arbitrary at best. The rcmp will use our own tax dollars to fight us. We pay twice.

While this change by the rcmp holds no legal merit since they haven't actually changed the law (since they cannot), they would no doubt be called as expert witnesses who's opinion carries weight. Having said this, their change in opinion may indeed result in harassment of people in legal possession. There will be officers towing the company line that will do the bidding of their politically charged superiors.
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While this absurdity from the RCMP certainly needs to be addressed, what about this Charger "pistol"? A pistol refers to a handgun, which means, a firearm that's designed, altered or intended to be fired with the action of one hand. While it is possible to fire the Charger with one hand it is also possible to fire a 10/22 rifle with one hand, both of which seem very ineffective. I believe the Charger "pistol" is smart marketing of a cut down 10/22 by Ruger to increase sales. How many other handguns come with bipods? Take a look at reviews on Youtube and see how many people are shooting these with one hand, Hickok 45 refers to it as a little awkward to use. My point here is that this shouldn't even be classed as a handgun (hello Criminal Operations Branch Brainiacs) and therefore negates all this BS about Hi Capacity dangerous 22LR magazines.
 
Any one else think that this RCMP document looks bogus, faked by some clown on his printer, now to make it look legit, the use of black out on a couple of phone numbers and names. One of the numbers is to a support number, come on. If this thing is real why the black out and the information is very minimal at best, then talking about pinning, really, the letter is not even addressed to anyone. There is a lot of hook line and sinker going on here, just my two cents
 
Mr Wolverine said:
I might consider it, but I have very little faith in petitions. What disturbs me is the fact that our firearms community as a whole runs scared of authority, gun owners and dealers fail to understand our system or how the law works. If the CFO says jump everyone replies "How high?" instead of replying "Why?"

When it was rumoured that the CZ 858 was going to be made prohibited I had customers chop them up and then demand I compensate them?

Look at this current nonsense, all this panic because of a document from the RCMP which I suspect has no legal standing? If we allow ourselves to be bullied like this why bother with a petition, take the facts and go meet your MP, now if we all did that?

Currently I hear of dealers taking these mags off their shelves! Why? Did they ask to see any new regulation or OIC in writing? Why is the importer not bringing in more mags?

As for our shooting organisations? Words fail me! It makes me weep sometimes at the lack of education and unity amongst us all.
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100% agree with you that's why I sent an email to the minister of public safety and to my MP and anyone who is complaining about this ordeal but doing nothing other then complaining might as well be on the RCMP's side.
 
We need a leader to unite the gun community and I vote for John Hipwell !!! Thanks for all you do for us.
 
DarkSyd said:
I don't suppose anyone would know how many Chargers are actually in Canada? Must be at least 3 or 4...?
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Surprisingly I think the number is somewhere around 435?

There is a REASON why the memo back in 2013 only prohibited the BX magazine and, while I do think the whole mag limit thing is a bit silly for 22 lr, they were legally correct that the BX 25 is prohibited the way the law is written because it WAS designed for the rifle and charger and it says right on its packaging that it is for the rifle and the charger, so the argument is totally valid for the BX 25.

The other mags though, the BC ones were designed and made before the charger existed and the GSG drums don't even fit the charger properly and both of them say on them that they are designed for the RIFLE. That's why they didn't say they were prohib back in 2013.

I think this is the RCMPs way of bringing it into the public eye and unfortunately, I think that they are actually smart enough that they know this is going to end up as a court case and that they WANT to lose that court case.

Once they lose the court case, they will go whining to the Lieberals that the law isn't working "right" and that it needs to be altered, and then the Lieberals will likely make a total mess of the magazine capacity laws, probably removing the 22 lr exception for rifle mags and limiting them to 5 and also probably opening up a HUGE can of worms by saying that if it fits a rifle or pistol and works, then it is considered a magazine for a rifle or pistol and then all the handgun mags will wind up limited to 5 shots (Glock, Colt 45, etc.) because there are rifles that fit them.

The sad fact is, with the Lieberals in charge, they will use this to make changes to the laws to suit their agenda of disarming everyone completely and the BEST we can hope for is that the millenials will continue to wake up to the fact that the Lieberals are basically enslaving them to pay off the baby boomers for votes by racking up HUGE debt. The polls are showing a HUGE drop in support for the Lieberals in voters under 25 and those voters are the ones who really helped them get elected in the first place. Those voters will go back to voting NDP and split the left vote. If the right can get their crap together, they can win the next election. If the CPC is smart about it, they will go with Raitt and run their next election with the slogan "Because it's 2019!!" and steal the woman's vote away from Hairdoo-PM

I think we need to take a good look at the memo and what it says and figure out a strategy to deal with it without pushing their hand to change the law, if they open up the law and make changes, you can bet that we will all lose out big time.

I don't think the memo is a fake but I will check with a shooting buddy of mine who is RCMP and who has always been very helpful and we do each other favours. I'm going on Vacation today though so it might be a while before I see him to talk about it.
 
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canmic said:
Surprisingly I think the number is somewhere around 435?

There is a REASON why the memo back in 2013 only prohibited the BX magazine and, while I do think the whole mag limit thing is a bit silly for 22 lr, they were legally correct that the BX 25 is prohibited the way the law is written because it WAS designed for the rifle and charger and it says right on its packaging that it is for the rifle and the charger, so the argument is totally valid for the BX 25.

The other mags though, the BC ones were designed and made before the charger existed and the GSG drums don't even fit the charger properly and both of them say on them that they are designed for the RIFLE. That's why they didn't say they were prohib back in 2013.

I think this is the RCMPs way of bringing it into the public eye and unfortunately, I think that they are actually smart enough that they know this is going to end up as a court case and that they WANT to lose that court case.

Once they lose the court case, they will go whining to the Lieberals that the law isn't working "right" and that it needs to be altered, and then the Lieberals will likely make a total mess of the magazine capacity laws, probably removing the 22 lr exception for rifle mags and limiting them to 5 and also probably opening up a HUGE can of worms by saying that if it fits a rifle or pistol and works, then it is considered a magazine for a rifle or pistol and then all the handgun mags will wind up limited to 5 shots (Glock, Colt 45, etc.) because there are rifles that fit them.

The sad fact is, with the Lieberals in charge, they will use this to make changes to the laws to suit their agenda of disarming everyone completely and the BEST we can hope for is that the millenials will continue to wake up to the fact that the Lieberals are basically enslaving them to pay off the baby boomers for votes by racking up HUGE debt. The polls are showing a HUGE drop in support for the Lieberals in voters under 25 and those voters are the ones who really helped them get elected in the first place. Those voters will go back to voting NDP and split the left vote. If the right can get their crap together, they can win the next election. If the CPC is smart about it, they will go with Raitt and run their next election with the slogan "Because it's 2019!!" and steal the woman's vote away from Hairdoo-PM

I think we need to take a good look at the memo and what it says and figure out a strategy to deal with it without pushing their hand to change the law, if they open up the law and make changes, you can bet that we will all lose out big time.

I don't think the memo is a fake but I will check with a shooting buddy of mine who is RCMP and who has always been very helpful and we do each other favours. I'm going on Vacation today though so it might be a while before I see him to talk about it.
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Poffels said:
While this absurdity from the RCMP certainly needs to be addressed, what about this Charger "pistol"? A pistol refers to a handgun, which means, a firearm that's designed, altered or intended to be fired with the action of one hand. While it is possible to fire the Charger with one hand it is also possible to fire a 10/22 rifle with one hand, both of which seem very ineffective. I believe the Charger "pistol" is smart marketing of a cut down 10/22 by Ruger to increase sales. How many other handguns come with bipods? Take a look at reviews on Youtube and see how many people are shooting these with one hand, Hickok 45 refers to it as a little awkward to use. My point here is that this shouldn't even be classed as a handgun (hello Criminal Operations Branch Brainiacs) and therefore negates all this BS about Hi Capacity dangerous 22LR magazines.
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Your right about the Charger pistol. It is not a pistol, it is a Ruger 10/22. The ONLY reason why it should be restricted is because of it's overall length at 19.25". We can make a Charger pistol by removing the full size stock on an existing Ruger 10/22, put a pistol grip on it instead and replace the barrel with a shorter Ruger 10/22 factory barrel then call the CFO and register it under the restricted class.
 
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canmic said:
Surprisingly I think the number is somewhere around 435?

There is a REASON why the memo back in 2013 only prohibited the BX magazine and, while I do think the whole mag limit thing is a bit silly for 22 lr, they were legally correct that the BX 25 is prohibited the way the law is written because it WAS designed for the rifle and charger and it says right on its packaging that it is for the rifle and the charger, so the argument is totally valid for the BX 25.

The other mags though, the BC ones were designed and made before the charger existed and the GSG drums don't even fit the charger properly and both of them say on them that they are designed for the RIFLE. That's why they didn't say they were prohib back in 2013.

I think this is the RCMPs way of bringing it into the public eye and unfortunately, I think that they are actually smart enough that they know this is going to end up as a court case and that they WANT to lose that court case.

Once they lose the court case, they will go whining to the Lieberals that the law isn't working "right" and that it needs to be altered, and then the Lieberals will likely make a total mess of the magazine capacity laws, probably removing the 22 lr exception for rifle mags and limiting them to 5 and also probably opening up a HUGE can of worms by saying that if it fits a rifle or pistol and works, then it is considered a magazine for a rifle or pistol and then all the handgun mags will wind up limited to 5 shots (Glock, Colt 45, etc.) because there are rifles that fit them.

The sad fact is, with the Lieberals in charge, they will use this to make changes to the laws to suit their agenda of disarming everyone completely and the BEST we can hope for is that the millenials will continue to wake up to the fact that the Lieberals are basically enslaving them to pay off the baby boomers for votes by racking up HUGE debt. The polls are showing a HUGE drop in support for the Lieberals in voters under 25 and those voters are the ones who really helped them get elected in the first place. Those voters will go back to voting NDP and split the left vote. If the right can get their crap together, they can win the next election. If the CPC is smart about it, they will go with Raitt and run their next election with the slogan "Because it's 2019!!" and steal the woman's vote away from Hairdoo-PM

I think we need to take a good look at the memo and what it says and figure out a strategy to deal with it without pushing their hand to change the law, if they open up the law and make changes, you can bet that we will all lose out big time.

I don't think the memo is a fake but I will check with a shooting buddy of mine who is RCMP and who has always been very helpful and we do each other favours. I'm going on Vacation today though so it might be a while before I see him to talk about it.
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The second bullet point in that rather suspect looking memo seems to indicate they know it is complete BS, and that any judge with two functioning brain cells is going to toss the case, and likely not be happy about having his/her time wasted.
 
DarkSyd said:
The second bullet point in that rather suspect looking memo seems to indicate they know it is complete BS, and that any judge with two functioning brain cells is going to toss the case, and likely not be happy about having his/her time wasted.
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What does RPG mean in that second bullet point?

(I'm pretty sure it's not rocket propelled grenade....although that would probably get you charged;) )
 
Any one else think that this RCMP document looks bogus, faked by some clown on his printer, now to make it look legit, the use of black out on a couple of phone numbers and names. One of the numbers is to a support number, come on. If this thing is real why the black out and the information is very minimal at best, then talking about pinning, really, the letter is not even addressed to anyone. There is a lot of hook line and sinker going on here, just my two cents
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I work in "E" Div and I received this email a few days ago. I personally think it's crap and not right. That's all my sons and I love to do at the range or at the cabin. They are just starting to get into shooting and hunting. I do not know where this will go but I really hope this stops. There are a lot more important things to worry about in the world then 22lr mags.
 
I don't think we have anything to worry about. Nobody I know will stop using their high cap 10/22 mags, even if they do go officially prohib.

Cops out here couldn't catch a cold.
 
canmic said:
Surprisingly I think the number is somewhere around 435?

There is a REASON why the memo back in 2013 only prohibited the BX magazine and, while I do think the whole mag limit thing is a bit silly for 22 lr, they were legally correct that the BX 25 is prohibited the way the law is written because it WAS designed for the rifle and charger and it says right on its packaging that it is for the rifle and the charger, so the argument is totally valid for the BX 25.

The other mags though, the BC ones were designed and made before the charger existed and the GSG drums don't even fit the charger properly and both of them say on them that they are designed for the RIFLE. That's why they didn't say they were prohib back in 2013.

I think this is the RCMPs way of bringing it into the public eye and unfortunately, I think that they are actually smart enough that they know this is going to end up as a court case and that they WANT to lose that court case.

Once they lose the court case, they will go whining to the Lieberals that the law isn't working "right" and that it needs to be altered, and then the Lieberals will likely make a total mess of the magazine capacity laws, probably removing the 22 lr exception for rifle mags and limiting them to 5 and also probably opening up a HUGE can of worms by saying that if it fits a rifle or pistol and works, then it is considered a magazine for a rifle or pistol and then all the handgun mags will wind up limited to 5 shots (Glock, Colt 45, etc.) because there are rifles that fit them.

The sad fact is, with the Lieberals in charge, they will use this to make changes to the laws to suit their agenda of disarming everyone completely and the BEST we can hope for is that the millenials will continue to wake up to the fact that the Lieberals are basically enslaving them to pay off the baby boomers for votes by racking up HUGE debt. The polls are showing a HUGE drop in support for the Lieberals in voters under 25 and those voters are the ones who really helped them get elected in the first place. Those voters will go back to voting NDP and split the left vote. If the right can get their crap together, they can win the next election. If the CPC is smart about it, they will go with Raitt and run their next election with the slogan "Because it's 2019!!" and steal the woman's vote away from Hairdoo-PM

I think we need to take a good look at the memo and what it says and figure out a strategy to deal with it without pushing their hand to change the law, if they open up the law and make changes, you can bet that we will all lose out big time.

I don't think the memo is a fake but I will check with a shooting buddy of mine who is RCMP and who has always been very helpful and we do each other favours. I'm going on Vacation today though so it might be a while before I see him to talk about it.
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Either way it is a smoozzle cooked up by the RCMP that are in charge of firearms control,,, and,,, if Raitt is the leader of the CPC I will not vote for her! Pretty much anyone else, Peter Mackay would work as the girls tend to go for guys more than females,, ( Turdo is a point in fact), and Peter has a brain, unlike Turdo or Raitt!
 
Will this ever end? The rifles should have a longer barrel, but its popular to have a shorter barrel I understand, im not a 10/22 fan but im of the opinion that we should be able to have and use any fire arms we want, but within reason, all in moderation
 
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