270ai or 270 gibbs for a kimber 84L?

They look like a Barnes only more expensive? And I think shipping costs would get pretty high seeing how they come from Australia. Looks like a good product for you locals though.

Possibly more expensive than TTSX in your Country, on Par with TTSX over here... we get Rorted on component prices....


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You didn't mention what Game you were hunting in the initial post.


So I figured Deer..... and I don't think any Deer guna like a 110 TTSX at 350m, even though its 50m past your limit, it will still do it.

up to Elk i'd poke a 130gr Soft point at, so the 110TSX will do it too yes


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You really think this is a Bubba move? Seems like a strong opinion from the majority here....has me second guessing this.
That's about as hardcore bubba you can get short of installing a compass in the stock. :)

Maybe I should just try out the 110 barnes to flatten the trajectory.
The reason the 270 has been as popular as it is since 1925 is because it does shoots pretty flat as is w/o going to a magnum. I personally would not trade a 270 for a 7mag unless I needed to shoot heavy bullets for heavier game.

Why not get one of those Leupold CDS scopes and tune it to your fave load and start spinning knobs for long shots?
 
That's about as hardcore bubba you can get short of installing a compass in the stock. :)


The reason the 270 has been as popular as it is since 1925 is because it does shoots pretty flat as is w/o going to a magnum. I personally would not trade a 270 for a 7mag unless I needed to shoot heavy bullets for heavier game.

Why not get one of those Leupold CDS scopes and tune it to your fave load and start spinning knobs for long shots?

I would occur with this.
You are having minimal gains and really killing resale value when you get bored.
The number of buyers for a 270 ai is limited to dork hunters who want to reload using more expensive die sets. Pretty small group.

Not that either conversion wouldn't work fine, your gains are just very small. But tis your rifle.
 
I have and use CDS, and I've put a lot of work into being good at long range and most of my scopes have external knobs. One of the things I've learned is that some sort of locking turret with a zero stop and a covered windage turret is needed when you need to count on a shot in the heat of the moment. You usually have time to check things over quickly for a long shot but if presented with a close shot you don't so there has to be some level of comfort that nothings moved. At this point I don't know of any lightweight scopes with these features.

Leupold is so close with cds...I wish they'd make a way to lock that top turret. But unfortunatly it looks like they don't know what people want. They have removed the option for the windplex reticle with cds in the new vx3i...no idea why cause when your windage turrets covered it's pretty nice to have a holdoff option.
 
I disagree. The .280AI has almost acheived "standard" status.... A .280AI is viewed as a desireable mountain/flat country chambering... a .270AI or .270 Gibbs, not so much... you would definitely either take a hit on the value or have it up for sale for an extended period of time... I am not surmising here, I have been there so many times personally that I now have to give myself an internal "talking to" before I jump too fast on something interesting... sometimes it even works.

I was going to say something similar, but Hoyt beat me to it. The .280 A.I. is factory offering, while the .270 "improved" versions are not. Not only does it limit resale to handloaders, but I'm always suspicious of the quality of the workmanship. Seeing something like ".30-06 re-chambered to .300 WM" on the EE is a huge red flag for me, because there's no way of knowing how well or poorly the conversion was done.
 
You are only going to get about 75-100 fps as the other guys have said because the 270 was always loaded pretty decently from the factories compared to the 30-06. However, if you must, then go with the AI version because all you do to get a formed case is insert a factory and fire. You can still use factory ammo in the rifle.

Making the Gibbs case is a lot more involved because the shoulder is pushed way forward. Also dies are expensive and hard to get for the Gibbs. The Gibbs line was more popular 30 years ago but you are the first to talk about one for many, many years on a BBs that I remember. And you can't use factory ammo at all.
 
i had a 270ai built on a 700 action with an irks barrel a few years ago by bob galloway, I'm happy with everything about the rifle except that i didn't let bob talk me out of going 270 ai, i shoot 130 barnes at 3050fps, which is 270 win territory anyways, wish i would have just opened up the bolt face and went 270 weatherby, but thats just me, personally i doubt that you'll do much more with a 280 ai either as there isn't much difference in the cases. as far as reloading goes, its pretty easy to load for, i just use lee collet dies for a standard 270 win, have 6 loads on some of my brass and haven't had any issues with needing to bump the shoulder back, when i need to ill likely just toss them and form some more
 
Kimbers are easy to access one call to profit river and bang in your hands in a few weeks
Ordered a adronidak in 308 last week as i couldnt find one local $400 cheeper too!
Also could have got a 280ai in a montana same time frame
 
I have and use CDS, and I've put a lot of work into being good at long range and most of my scopes have external knobs. One of the things I've learned is that some sort of locking turret with a zero stop and a covered windage turret is needed when you need to count on a shot in the heat of the moment. You usually have time to check things over quickly for a long shot but if presented with a close shot you don't so there has to be some level of comfort that nothings moved. At this point I don't know of any lightweight scopes with these features.

Leupold is so close with cds...I wish they'd make a way to lock that top turret. But unfortunatly it looks like they don't know what people want. They have removed the option for the windplex reticle with cds in the new vx3i...no idea why cause when your windage turrets covered it's pretty nice to have a holdoff option.

When did the wind plex get cancelled? It's still on the website. I've got a few S1 turrets coming to convert my CDS scopes to exposed windage.
 
When did the wind plex get cancelled? It's still on the website. I've got a few S1 turrets coming to convert my CDS scopes to exposed windage.

I haven't seen any vx3is with it, and leupold shows duplex as the only option. I guess you could get the custom shop to put one in.
 
Hopefully I won't derail the thread by posing this question. I've got a Montana in 243 win that I was thinking of rebarreling in 243ai because I just love that caliber. Now I'm thinking I'll just stick with the win for smooth feeding and the ability to shoot factory ammo if I want to in a pinch out of this particular rifle. I would still like to rebarreling to a #4 contour or like a magnum contour with flutes. Sticking with the regular 243 win do you think I'm dooming this kimber for the future by rebarreling? My reason for this is for accuracy as I believe you can only expect so much out of a mountain barrel and I would like varmint accuracy out of a walking varminter which I think this would accomplish quite nicely
 
They make match grade barrels every day and gun smiths still need job security. You live once. Shoot what you want. You bought it because you wanted it. Don't worry about resale. If you don't like it re barrel it. It's only money.
Sometimes just being a little different is enough to make me smile and that's worth the extra cost and effort to me
 
Hopefully I won't derail the thread by posing this question. I've got a Montana in 243 win that I was thinking of rebarreling in 243ai because I just love that caliber. Now I'm thinking I'll just stick with the win for smooth feeding and the ability to shoot factory ammo if I want to in a pinch out of this particular rifle. I would still like to rebarreling to a #4 contour or like a magnum contour with flutes. Sticking with the regular 243 win do you think I'm dooming this kimber for the future by rebarreling? My reason for this is for accuracy as I believe you can only expect so much out of a mountain barrel and I would like varmint accuracy out of a walking varminter which I think this would accomplish quite nicely

Opening the barrel channel for the new barrel will make the montana worthless
 
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