Ruger 10/22 Magazine: Background and the Latest Update

Chuckbuster said:
Sending this to my MP, the Justice Minister and the PMO...I might even submit it to the local rag to raise public awareness and ensure that my MP takes note.
If anybody likes it enough to think they want to use it, whole or for ideas...go for it! I'll post this in the other thread as well.
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Mr. MP,

I am writing as a concerned constituent and citizen of Canada. It has recently come to light that the RCMP has unilaterally declared all cartridge ammunition magazines of 10+ capacity for the very popular Ruger 10-22 rifle to be prohibited devices. This is most wrong, egregious and unjustified for a number of reasons.

The RCMP have declared the magazines as prohibited because they will fit both the Ruger 10-22 semi-automatic rifle and the Ruger Charger semi-automatic handgun. Both are chambered for the .22 Long Rifle rimfire cartridge; commonly known as a ".22". Under the cartridge magazine regulations of the Firearms Act, .22 semi automatic handgun magazines are limited to 10 rounds. Under those same regulations, cartridge magazines for .22 semi-automatic rifles have no proscribed limit. Thus, according to the law as written, the 10-22 rifle has no limits on the capacity of it's rimfire cartridge magazines. The Charger pistol, on the other hand, has a very definite cartridge magazine capacity limit of 10 or less. That the magazines of one will fit the other is at the heart of the matter.

The Ruger 10-22 rifle has been in existence since the 1960s, and is one of the most popular .22 calibre rifles ever manufactured. There are probably tens of thousands, or more, of them in Canada. Cartridge magazines with capacities of 10, 25, or more cartridges for this rifle have been readily available in Canada for decades. And, importantly, these magazines were specifically manufactured to fit the 10-22 rifle. The Charger pistol did not appear until the latter part of the first decade of the new millennium; some 40 years after the release of the 10-22 rifle. How then, can the RCMP claim the 10+ cartridge capacity magazines for the 10-22 rifle were also made for the Charger? How is it possible to design something for that which does not exist? How is it logically possible to say that all 10+ cartridge capacity magazines for the 10-22 were designed and manufactured for the Charger pistol--for that is what the RCMP are claiming--when the latter was not created until decades after the 10-22's debut?

A more rational assessment of the situation would clearly determine that it is indeed impossible to design something for the non-existent. And furthermore, this same assessment would quickly point to a circumstance where the pistol was later designed to accept the magazines in question. Based on this simple factual analysis, it is clear that the RCMP have come to an incorrect conclusion. What's more, the simple solution of making it clear that use of 10+ capacity magazines in the Charger is a criminal offence, while leaving owners of 10-22 rifles and their magazines, regardless of capacity, alone, presents itself as quite obvious.

Mr. MP, please understand that what the RCMP is doing is unilaterally criminalizing thousands of law abiding citizens, with supreme indifference, over an incorrect opinion. Consider that if there are at least 10s of thousands of 10-22 rifles in Canada, they can be found in homes across the country and across all social strata, in concert with unknown thousands or even millions of 10+ cartridge capacity magazines that have been legally purchased since the 1970s. If these magazines constitute the grave public safety risk that the RCMP are now claiming they do, why have we not heard of any documented incidents where they were used criminally in life threatening situations? And furthermore, why are the RCMP only acting on this now, when their concurrent claim is that the magazines in question have always been prohibited under the Firearms Act? If they are so dangerous, should they not have been considered the same public and officer safety threat in 1996, as they are now in 2016? And if so, why has the RCMP knowingly allowed the import, sale, distribution and use of such "dangerous" devices until now? Taken together, the answers to my questions point to a deliberate attempt to "crack down" yet again on the law abiding gun owners of Canada.

Finally, Mr. MP, I ask that you and the Liberal Party of Canada work together with Canada's recreational firearms community to find the right solution to this problem I have outlined, and refrain from isolating and criminalizing untold thousands of hard working Canadians over what the RCMP have unilaterally taken it upon themselves to impose on your fellow Canadians.

Sincerely,
Me.
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Do you mind if I copy your very well written letter and get it off to my MP as well?
 
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sulisa said:
Some mags (BX-25) the packaging actually said "For Ruger 10/22 and Charger", from what I've read. THEY can be pinned, but the rest make no mention of the pistol.
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FWIW, the BX-25 packages that were sold in Ontario a few years ago actually made no mention at all of fitting the Charger:
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Had a great day pesting in Southern Alberta today.

Took my teenage son for the first time and a good friend.

We used our 10/22s and in consideration of this RCMP safety concern only used 10 round mags.

Funny thing here, my 10 round short Butler Creek magazines clipped together and my trimag holder which clips 3 Ruger 10 round magazines together allowed us to shoot just as we always have except for an additional 1 second mag flip.

So can anyone explain to me how making a higher capacity magazine illegal makes any sense here? I mean we were just as safe out there as if we had used 25 round BC magazines.

Worst part of the day was having 2 responsible adult gunowners trying to explain this RCMP magazine enforcement to a 15 year old wanting to get into a sport....

We just could not provide a rationale explanation to my son how a 1 second 10 round magazine change made us any safer out in the fields...........
 
The biggest problem here is that any anti-gun organisation could design a semi-automatic pistol that uses the same mags as any rimfire rifle or any non-SA rifle (both of which have unlimited mag capacity) and send it to the lab for an FRT. In an instant, every rimfire/non-SA rifle magazine have to be pinned to 10 rounds, because they are designed for pistol. Doesn't matter if the pistol is crappy and there's just a single one in existence, it's got an FRT so it exists.

Then, as soon as they change their interpretation of the CX4/PX4, LAR15/AR15, JRCarbine/glock, and they say "these magazines are designed for a SA rifle, therefore you need to pin them to 5". Same anti-gun organisation start putting out carbines with every possible pistol mags and voilà, mag capacity has been effectively reduced to 5 in pistols. Only pistols with obscure magazines will be left with a capacity of 10, and as soon as one will become popular, anti-guns will make a carbine with the mag and 10 rounds get prohibited.

A couple years from now, a 6 shots revolver will be considered high capacity in canada.
 
randyhub said:
Funny thing here, my 10 round short Butler Creek magazines clipped together and my trimag holder which clips 3 Ruger 10 round magazines together allowed us to shoot just as we always have except for an additional 1 second mag flip.

So can anyone explain to me how making a higher capacity magazine illegal makes any sense here? I mean we were just as safe out there as if we had used 25 round BC magazines.
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Oh it's not about safety regarding you and your rifle, after all you could have gone out with a Remington 597 and a bunch of 30 round magazines legally. But weren't you able to shoot with piece of mind that some psycho with a charger and 110 rnd drum could not sneak up behind you and slaughter the lot of ye'?
 
Maybe we should support our suppliers that have called bull#### on this and boycott the ones that folded like soiled tp? Just a thought but perhaps too deep for some...
 
Prometheus said:
beware, out for a shoot today at Sylvester road. my remington 597 mags were confiscated by the rcmp. the two officers were great, however mis-informed and took them anyways after calling their supervisor.
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I was going to go to little Iraq today but crapped out.

Are you going to fight this confiscation?
 
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