Small correction ...... the BX-25 is also part of the issue, and it is manufactured by Ruger.
The Year of the magazine, RCMP Info sheet
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Small correction ...... the BX-25 is also part of the issue, and it is manufactured by Ruger.
Is it just me, or did they expand the interpretation of the law to include the term platform?
It seems as though the original laws were written in terms of rifles and handguns without consideration as to the potential for cross-over between firearms like the 10/22, KRISS vector, JRC and AR derivatives.
It was my understanding that such creations would require new laws to deal with these. Not a subjective interpretation of the old laws that can be applied at the drop of a hat.
It doesn't have to be designed for the rifle. Once a pistol is made that uses the same magazine, any new mags are manufactured for both guns. At least thats how I'm assuming they are interpreting it - the word designed is entirely irrelevant.
What we should do is push for the charger to be reclassified as a restricted rifle. Isnt the vz scorpion a restricted rifle not a handgun?
What we should do is push for the charger to be reclassified as a restricted rifle. Isnt the vz scorpion a restricted rifle not a handgun?
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You sir are officially the most ignorant person on this forum if you think this is a viable solution. I suppose we should do this to all pistol versions of rifles then eh? AR pistols, XCR pistols, VZ pistols, just ban it all and throw one group under the bus at a time until we are all gone.
Once again, law-abiding gun owners are the "low-hanging fruit" for the RCMP. Easy to look "tough on crime" when nearly un-challenged changes like this can happen so easily, appear to be a success on paper, yet nothing tangible (=preventing crimes) actually happens. Law abiding gun owners are treated like criminals once again, the RCMP pat themselves on the back and set their sights on other ways to appear as though they're doing something for the good of "public safety".
I'm not anti-police, and not anti-RCMP....but honest to God...have these guys got NOTHING better to do than pull ideas like this out of their hats to justify the office they're sitting in? It sure seems that way to me. I'd like to hear 1 good reason why anything needs to change with respect to 10/22 magazine capacity in Canada. 1. I don't even like 10/22s, and will probably never own another one...but I don't have the blinders on either. After this...what? Self-loading shotguns? SKS? The 10 round mags (that seem to fit 9
) for my Marlin 795?
This all makes me feel ill to be perfectly honest.
I'm not anti-police, and not anti-RCMP....but honest to God...have these guys got NOTHING better to do than pull ideas like this out of their hats to justify the office they're sitting in? It sure seems that way to me. I'd like to hear 1 good reason why anything needs to change with respect to 10/22 magazine capacity in Canada. 1. I don't even like 10/22s, and will probably never own another one...but I don't have the blinders on either. After this...what? Self-loading shotguns? SKS? The 10 round mags (that seem to fit 9
) for my Marlin 795? This all makes me feel ill to be perfectly honest.
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/...-2016.html?soid=1124731702303&aid=10CtELKcn24
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/ccfr-issues-advisory-on-rcmp-document-2146101.htm
But the orgs have very little pull in Ottawa now, with the current administration.
The influence of gun owners has to come from gun owners themselves, in their tens and hundreds of thousands, writing to their MP, talking to their MP, and writing the Minister of Public Safety.
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This is such a joke. They are prohibiting magazines base on capacity when all it takes its about 5seconds with a power drill to make a magazine a prohibited by drilling out the .03 cent rivet. The only people being affected by this are the law abiding citizens. I'm not an English major by any means but I will be will send letters off to whoever I need to on a weekly basis to aggravate the hell out of them and force them to continue responding. If anyone has a letter they are planning on sending out pm me so I can read it over and get some ideas on what and how I should write/word it.
i think this clearly demonstrates their own incompetence and lack of expertise in this matter. the fact that they let 5 years pass without any published opinion on these magazines says they can't even effectively do what they are mandated to do, ie. be an trusted expert opinion on the subject of firearms.
Weapontech
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I have a theory;
It's a two pronged assault -
Bill S-223 is still sitting in the senate; it's hardly dead. In that bill, the only firearms you are allowed to possess "at home" are .22 rifles.
The RCMP are now stripping down the configuration of what those .22 rifles would consist of.
After they are done with this fiasco, they'll use the same warped logic to move on to further prohibiting mags and firearms that are on their hit list.
2ndShotCanada
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Does it make sense to put forth a rational argument to just eliminate the magazine limits all together?
In the liberal world this might seem impossible, but from a practical stance it makes a lot of grey area go away.
With Mag limits we have pistols being called rifles and we have rifles being called pistols which leaves a great deal of exposure for the types of BS we're seeing now with the Ruger. We have the Beowulf and LAR mags causing controversy, we have this new "dual purpose" term being thrown around a lot lately. And with the evolution of firearms we're leaving ourselves open to so many arbitrary confiscations or reclassifications that could literally ruin a law abiding gun owners life for non-compliance while the types of people who account for the mass-murders or gun violence are not the ones who hold a licence or follow the laws in the first place.
It's also worth noting that there have been many practical studies done on the civilian mag limit issue in the us. Maybe we can all do the same here? Lots of YouTube vids and articles from reputable sources on the topic.
I realize there is more to the RCMP agenda than just enforcing the law as it's written but in no other area of society are changes made overnight that could land people in jail without public input and government oversight.
Can one of the ORG's that we all pay money to please chime in with some direction for us? As individuals we're basically bugs on a windshield with this one. Maybe a large public convention or something to draw a big crowd?
In the liberal world this might seem impossible, but from a practical stance it makes a lot of grey area go away.
With Mag limits we have pistols being called rifles and we have rifles being called pistols which leaves a great deal of exposure for the types of BS we're seeing now with the Ruger. We have the Beowulf and LAR mags causing controversy, we have this new "dual purpose" term being thrown around a lot lately. And with the evolution of firearms we're leaving ourselves open to so many arbitrary confiscations or reclassifications that could literally ruin a law abiding gun owners life for non-compliance while the types of people who account for the mass-murders or gun violence are not the ones who hold a licence or follow the laws in the first place.
It's also worth noting that there have been many practical studies done on the civilian mag limit issue in the us. Maybe we can all do the same here? Lots of YouTube vids and articles from reputable sources on the topic.
I realize there is more to the RCMP agenda than just enforcing the law as it's written but in no other area of society are changes made overnight that could land people in jail without public input and government oversight.
Can one of the ORG's that we all pay money to please chime in with some direction for us? As individuals we're basically bugs on a windshield with this one. Maybe a large public convention or something to draw a big crowd?
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The RCMP can do whatever they want with a Liberal government in power and they know that.
It's not just your theory.
It's the theory of every person who has dealt with governments, the RCMP, and knows how politics work. Just because Wendy Cukier and her kind, and the Truduea government, have not said anything about their plans to take firearms away from Canadians doesn't mean they don't still intend to do it. They do, and they will act at some point.
223 is not dead. It's awaiting the right time, and it may not be the exact form of their final attack on us (it's just too stupid for that), but something is coming our way. Our response to the 10/22 idiocy might determine exactly how, and when, we get hit.
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H.K.Glock 007
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I am in that group of people that would be getting thrown under the bus. However I am ignorant yes. So at this point I will bow out. Peace.
FWIW you are correct and I lost my brain for a moment. Easy solution in my brain but no good could come of it, not sure what I was thinking.
Thank you for showing me the light brother.
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Why you try to understand rcmp, they just want no firearms for the citizens-------, they funded the coalition for gun control , so , don't loose your time.
if they can, they will take all guns, by bullying. etc....
If you don't want to live in a police state, we have to act ...... all citizen are concerned.
if they can, they will take all guns, by bullying. etc....
If you don't want to live in a police state, we have to act ...... all citizen are concerned.
Gentlemen, I am inserting below a direct copy/paste of the typed letter I sent today to: my MP, Ralph Goodale, and the Prime Minister. It's free folks, you don't even need the stamp...
The more we flood them with these types of letters and the more noise we make, the more we add to the odds of something reversing this ugly trend!
July 28, 2016
Dear Member of Parliament:
It has recently come to my attention that the RCMP is now criminalizing thousands of law-abiding Canadian citizens by declaring all 10+ round magazines for the Ruger 10/22 to be prohibited devices, despite these having been designed for a rifle, well before any pistol or handgun emerged that could use such a magazine.
To wit, the Canadian Firearms Program has recently sent a memorandum to various police departments nationwide stating that “All 22 Long Rifle calibre magazines for the 10/22 platform, regardless of brand, are prohibited devices at any capacity exceeding ten shots.”
The Ruger 10/22 is a rifle, not a handgun, and therefore should not have limits imposed upon magazine capacity, as per the regulation described in Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72: “Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity.”
Many of the 10+ round magazines for the 10/22 in circulation and still on store shelves had patents filed for them long before any manufactured pistol was able to accommodate those magazines. Further, the few handguns at stake able to use such magazines are already restricted firearms to begin with, while the 10/22 is an almost ubiquitous non-restricted firearm. There are less than 1,000 handguns in Canada able to use the 10/22 10+ round magazines while it is estimated that there are over 100,000 non-restricted Ruger 10/22 rifles in Canada.
When the RCMP and by extension the Canadian Firearms Program can arbitrarily declare thousands of law-abiding Canadian firearms owners as criminals with no oversight by our duly elected Parliamentarians we effectively have allowed this country to become a police state.
I urge you to reign in the RCMP and the Canadian Firearms Program, and provide some kind of proper firearms policy oversight from parliamentarians, else you will alienate the many thousands of law-abiding citizens who support peace, order, and good government and still enjoy sport shooting and hunting across this land while also contributing to local economies.
These activities are a part of our rich heritage, and should not be discarded for the sake of political expediency.
Can you confirm that our country is now becoming a police state with no regard for due process of law and that the RCMP and Canadian Firearms Program have permission to criminalize us without oversight by our elected parliamentarians?
I respectfully demand a response within the next 10 business days.
Signature
The more we flood them with these types of letters and the more noise we make, the more we add to the odds of something reversing this ugly trend!
July 28, 2016
Dear Member of Parliament:
It has recently come to my attention that the RCMP is now criminalizing thousands of law-abiding Canadian citizens by declaring all 10+ round magazines for the Ruger 10/22 to be prohibited devices, despite these having been designed for a rifle, well before any pistol or handgun emerged that could use such a magazine.
To wit, the Canadian Firearms Program has recently sent a memorandum to various police departments nationwide stating that “All 22 Long Rifle calibre magazines for the 10/22 platform, regardless of brand, are prohibited devices at any capacity exceeding ten shots.”
The Ruger 10/22 is a rifle, not a handgun, and therefore should not have limits imposed upon magazine capacity, as per the regulation described in Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72: “Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity.”
Many of the 10+ round magazines for the 10/22 in circulation and still on store shelves had patents filed for them long before any manufactured pistol was able to accommodate those magazines. Further, the few handguns at stake able to use such magazines are already restricted firearms to begin with, while the 10/22 is an almost ubiquitous non-restricted firearm. There are less than 1,000 handguns in Canada able to use the 10/22 10+ round magazines while it is estimated that there are over 100,000 non-restricted Ruger 10/22 rifles in Canada.
When the RCMP and by extension the Canadian Firearms Program can arbitrarily declare thousands of law-abiding Canadian firearms owners as criminals with no oversight by our duly elected Parliamentarians we effectively have allowed this country to become a police state.
I urge you to reign in the RCMP and the Canadian Firearms Program, and provide some kind of proper firearms policy oversight from parliamentarians, else you will alienate the many thousands of law-abiding citizens who support peace, order, and good government and still enjoy sport shooting and hunting across this land while also contributing to local economies.
These activities are a part of our rich heritage, and should not be discarded for the sake of political expediency.
Can you confirm that our country is now becoming a police state with no regard for due process of law and that the RCMP and Canadian Firearms Program have permission to criminalize us without oversight by our elected parliamentarians?
I respectfully demand a response within the next 10 business days.
Signature
Weapontech
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Yes, from a practical sense, even common sense - but our current government and their RCMP minions have neither.
Mag limits will never go away - the optics of reversing such a decision wouldn't be PC.
IMO, I can see any firearm that uses removable mags as being suspect for restricting or prohibiting.
Good gawd.....
