The Year of the magazine, RCMP Info sheet

hsnerd said:
Gentlemen, I am inserting below a direct copy/paste of the typed letter I sent today to: my MP, Ralph Goodale, and the Prime Minister. It's free folks, you don't even need the stamp...

The more we flood them with these types of letters and the more noise we make, the more we add to the odds of something reversing this ugly trend!

July 28, 2016
Dear Member of Parliament:
It has recently come to my attention that the RCMP is now criminalizing thousands of law-abiding Canadian citizens by declaring all 10+ round magazines for the Ruger 10/22 to be prohibited devices, despite these having been designed for a rifle, well before any pistol or handgun emerged that could use such a magazine.

To wit, the Canadian Firearms Program has recently sent a memorandum to various police departments nationwide stating that “All 22 Long Rifle calibre magazines for the 10/22 platform, regardless of brand, are prohibited devices at any capacity exceeding ten shots.”

The Ruger 10/22 is a rifle, not a handgun, and therefore should not have limits imposed upon magazine capacity, as per the regulation described in Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72: “Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity.”

Many of the 10+ round magazines for the 10/22 in circulation and still on store shelves had patents filed for them long before any manufactured pistol was able to accommodate those magazines. Further, the few handguns at stake able to use such magazines are already restricted firearms to begin with, while the 10/22 is an almost ubiquitous non-restricted firearm. There are less than 1,000 handguns in Canada able to use the 10/22 10+ round magazines while it is estimated that there are over 100,000 non-restricted Ruger 10/22 rifles in Canada.

When the RCMP and by extension the Canadian Firearms Program can arbitrarily declare thousands of law-abiding Canadian firearms owners as criminals with no oversight by our duly elected Parliamentarians we effectively have allowed this country to become a police state.

I urge you to reign in the RCMP and the Canadian Firearms Program, and provide some kind of proper firearms policy oversight from parliamentarians, else you will alienate the many thousands of law-abiding citizens who support peace, order, and good government and still enjoy sport shooting and hunting across this land while also contributing to local economies.

These activities are a part of our rich heritage, and should not be discarded for the sake of political expediency.

Can you confirm that our country is now becoming a police state with no regard for due process of law and that the RCMP and Canadian Firearms Program have permission to criminalize us without oversight by our elected parliamentarians?

I respectfully demand a response within the next 10 business days.

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Thank you very much for posting this, I will be using this as well to email all three as well. I hope to see that majority if not all of us in firearm community do the same.
 
they should stop right there with stupid magazine capacity limit.

Why rifles have to carry less ammo than a pistol?

10 rounds... why not starting by make 10 rounds for every god damn weapons in this country. Would make things so much simple compared to the 5 rounds > 10 rounds pistol mag bs

Its getting too confusing even for em so they dont know anymore what they are doing with their own laws / rules.

Magazines shouldnt have any capacity restrictions if you are member of a shooting range with restricted weapons..(yeah i know 10/22 NR) because the purpose of having them is to shoot em on paper AT THE CLUB.

period.
 
vince514 said:
they should stop right there with stupid magazine capacity limit.

Why rifles have to carry less ammo than a pistol?

10 rounds... why not starting by make 10 rounds for every god damn weapons in this country. Would make things so much simple compared to the 5 rounds > 10 rounds pistol mag bs

Its getting too confusing even for em so they dont know anymore what they are doing with their own laws / rules.

Magazines shouldnt have any capacity restrictions if you are member of a shooting range with restricted weapons..(yeah i know 10/22 NR) because the purpose of having them is to shoot em on paper AT THE CLUB.

period.
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Stop calling them "weapons." That's the first trick. They are firearms. Tools designed to fire a projectile or projectiles, not to harm people.
 
So, anyone with a butler creek hot lips is now a criminal...that is just grand. Who do we have to call to give them our 2 cents on this absurd law. The worst parts is that I called the chief firearm officer and he guarantee me that no law had been changed and that the "devices" have always been illegal. I don't understand how we were allowed to be happy criminals for so long.
 
Not to throw too big a red herring in here...but,

What makes something a handgun in Canada? Is there an actual definition? (pardon my ignorance, I don't own any). And by what definition does a 19" (50cm) long Charger even be considered a handgun? It just seems too long to be practically considered a handgun?
 
Ramblr said:
Stop calling them "weapons." That's the first trick. They are firearms. Tools designed to fire a projectile or projectiles, not to harm people.
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so true. i totally agree with that.

seriously guys the canadian firearms programs need to be revamped, update 1.1 needs to stop treating law abiding citizens like criminals... ESPECIALLY if your are member of a gun club.

BS has to stop. Car owners are never treated like criminals when somebody dies in a situation related.

WE paid enough. The only laws/rules there should be when owning firearms is :

The 1st Law: The Gun Is Always Loaded

The 2nd Law:Never Point The Gun At Something You Are Not Prepared To Destroy

The 3rd Law:Always Be Sure Of Your Target And What Is Behind It

The 4th Law:Keep Your Finger Off The Trigger Until Your Sights Are On The Target
 
gcdavidson said:
Not to throw too big a red herring in here...but,

What makes something a handgun in Canada? Is there an actual definition? (pardon my ignorance, I don't own any). And by what definition does a 19" (50cm) long Charger even be considered a handgun? It just seems too long to be practically considered a handgun?
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I assume it was marketed in the US as a pistol to get around US SBR laws, like the AR pistol. In Canada shouldn't it have been classified as a restricted rifle?
 
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Here is another sample letter. Feel free to edit as you see fit. It is now time to send letters in a massive way... The more we send letters expressing outrage, the better our chances of overturning this.


Dear Minister Goodale,

My name is (insert your name…) and I am from Town, Province. I am writing to you today because I have just found out that the RCMP Firearms Laboratory has declared that commonly available magazines having a capacity of more than 10 rounds for the Ruger 10-22 are now prohibited. The rifle in question is probably one of the most popular rifles in Canada. It exists since the 1960s and has been used safely and responsively for decades by hunters and shooters alike.

Magazines for the Ruger 10-22 having a capacity greater than 10 rounds have been legally imported, purchased in good faith and used in the country for decades. As a matter of fact, I purchased one such magazine in 1983 when I was 18 years old…

I respectfully request that you look into this serious issue immediately. This action by the RCMP means that millions of Canadians are now in the unauthorized possession of a prohibited device which carry severe penalties upon conviction in a court of law. The RCMP cannot be allowed anymore to make us into “paper criminals” at the stroke of a pen whenever they please, and especially years after the fact when all we have done is comply with the laws in good faith. There is clearly no public safety benefit associated with these actions. Such arbitrary victimization of legal gun owners, that constitute a large segment of our society, has to stop immediately.

As Minister of Public Safety, I am sure that you are aware that gun owners are not a problem in Canada, yet we are regularly targeted, harassed and of course criminalized by the RCMP bureaucracy. This is neither reflective of fact-based governance that was an important selling point of the Canada Liberal party during the recent elections, nor is it reflective of a free and equitable society. Your assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

I respectfully demand that the above concerns be addressed via a written response within the next 10 business days.

Sincerely,
 
I think we are targeting this all wrong...

The only battle we should be fighting is to have all limits on capacity removed. Why is everybody so concerned about the 10/22? We fight that battle and we may or may not win. Then it's going to be pistol mags in a rifle... Then the next fight will be LAR mags, Beowolf mags, etc. You guys really want to have one fight after another? Fight it once... build support among the community and have the capacity limits removed. Then we don't have to worry about all these separate little battles.

If they allow us to have pinned pistol mags and/or pinned center fire rifle mags and trust us not to take the pins out, then it should be reasonable for them to allow us to use our standard capacity magazines and trust us not to put them in the charger pistol.
 
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badshotbob said:
I think we are targeting this all wrong...

The only battle we should be fighting is to have all limits on capacity removed. Why is everybody so concerned about the 10/22? We fight that battle and we may or may not win. Then it's going to be pistol mags in a rifle... Then the next fight will be LAR mags, Beowolf mags, etc. You guys really want to have one fight after another? Fight it once... build support among the community and have the capacity limits removed. Then we don't have to worry about all this separate little battles.

If they allow us to have pinned pistol mags and/or pinned center fire rifle mags and trust us not to take the pins out, then it should be reasonable for them to allow us to use our standard capacity magazines and trust us not to put them in the charger pistol.
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This. x 999999999999999999999

The best post ever said/written on gun control.
 
vince514 said:
they should stop right there with stupid magazine capacity limit.

Why rifles have to carry less ammo than a pistol?

10 rounds... why not starting by make 10 rounds for every god damn weapons in this country. Would make things so much simple compared to the 5 rounds > 10 rounds pistol mag bs

Its getting too confusing even for em so they dont know anymore what they are doing with their own laws / rules.

Magazines shouldnt have any capacity restrictions if you are member of a shooting range with restricted weapons..(yeah i know 10/22 NR) because the purpose of having them is to shoot em on paper AT THE CLUB.

period.
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LOL, that'll never happen. A 10 rounds beowulf magazine would contain 24, 25 rounds of 556? That's close to the 30 rounds normal AR are supposed to be able ton contain, and which everyone uses as poster child for demonic usage of firearms. Even the conservatives would never go for that.

The only practical way to limit magazine capacity would be on volume. That way the larger the round, the less you get in your mag. You might get, say 10 rounds of 556, or 8 rounds of 308 or 5 rounds of 338 Lapua, and so on... Once something is based on science (volume), then it becomes instantly clear for any manufacturer, and easily measurable. There would be very little wiggle room and just about no way to argue anything fallacious and sophistic arguments, and no need to assume what the magazine was "designed and manufactured" fo.

From a public safey point of view, no one will ever convince me that 5 rounds of .50BMG and 5 rounds of 20gauge shotty pose the same public safety concern. That's not in the same ballpark. Heck, that's not even in the same city.
 
WRITE LETTERS to your MP, Ralph Goodale and the Prime Minister's office.
Forget emails and change.org nonsense.

JOIN the CSSA, the NFA, the CCFR and DEMAND that they work together. A united front is our best chance at effective resistance. If we sit back and do nothing then we have no chance. Their must be a political cost to the Liberal Party of Canada for these heavy-handed tactics, or they will not be deterred.
 
VinnyQC said:
From a public safey point of view, no one will ever convince me that 5 rounds of .50BMG and 5 rounds of 20gauge shotty pose the same public safety concern.
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I disagree and think it is statements like those that have lead to many of our ridiculous gun laws. Think about what you are saying, really give it some thought.
 
For those asking what the orgs are doing for you, this is what they are doing. Now put your money where your mouth is, JOIN and DONATE!!



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - July 28, 2016

ETOBICOKE, ONTARIO - The Canadian Shooting Sports Association (CSSA), representing recreational firearms owners, has joined with the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association (CSAAA), representing firearms business owners, to empower legal action against the recent decision by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Firearms Program to prohibit several brands of imported 10/22 extended capacity rifle magazines.

The CSAAA and CSSA Boards of Directors voted late last week to raise and contribute funding to a legal defence fund to make this legal action possible.

The action will be conducted by noted firearms lawyer Edward L. Burlew, L.L.B. , General Counsel for the CSSA.

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