Oh, sorry. When he said match, I thought he was talking about the actual match and forgot about the gong thing at the end that most of the competitors chose not to participate in. My mistake.
I'm getting sick of the 1000 yard goal
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Oh, sorry. When he said match, I thought he was talking about the actual match and forgot about the gong thing at the end that most of the competitors chose not to participate in. My mistake.
Back to the OP though, I think a 1000 yards is kind of a benchmark that sounds really good and the fact that its a 4 digit number makes it sound that much more impressive than lets say 995 yards. There are plenty of guys out there that are totally full of $hit, while there are others that can make 1-2 moa hits with a reasonably high degree of success. Is it difficult to do...no, but its not easy either.
I have found that the more I practice and more proficient I become, the more I see how difficult it is to do consistently and how easily things can go wrong.
Let the talkers talk the talk. Or better yet, do what they used to do when street racing cars... bet pink slips for a first round hit, you'll see how peoples perception of their shooting changes in a hurry.
I have found that the more I practice and more proficient I become, the more I see how difficult it is to do consistently and how easily things can go wrong.
Let the talkers talk the talk. Or better yet, do what they used to do when street racing cars... bet pink slips for a first round hit, you'll see how peoples perception of their shooting changes in a hurry.
Thing is.... Shooting at distances is not about improvisation. There is more work to it then most think. A rifle that can connect at long range means that the user did A LOT OF WORK BEFORE.
Load development, velocities, zeros confirmation, etc... etc...
Obviously a sub-moa gun will help. A better bullet will also help. But at the end You need to know exactly how YOUR rifle shoots. That is key. But that takes time, money and dedication.
I just did my final DROP chart this week. Velocities corrected and POA/POI confirmed. Took me like 200 rounds to start from scratch with a new bullet. I can say that I am now kind of ready for it. Now the wind and mother nature variables need to be grasp for this rifle. Keep it up. Takes time and dedication like I said. But it can be done.
Cheers.
Load development, velocities, zeros confirmation, etc... etc...
Obviously a sub-moa gun will help. A better bullet will also help. But at the end You need to know exactly how YOUR rifle shoots. That is key. But that takes time, money and dedication.
I just did my final DROP chart this week. Velocities corrected and POA/POI confirmed. Took me like 200 rounds to start from scratch with a new bullet. I can say that I am now kind of ready for it. Now the wind and mother nature variables need to be grasp for this rifle. Keep it up. Takes time and dedication like I said. But it can be done.
Cheers.
Long range shooting is simple. Do your homework, set up your rifle properly, do your short range prep and learn how to use a ballistic calc.
Ive had people out with either their rifle or mine hitting a 24" target at 925 yards and 1100yards within a few rounds.
If you dont want to put the time in, then ya its hard, too bad, get over it.
Ive had people out with either their rifle or mine hitting a 24" target at 925 yards and 1100yards within a few rounds.
If you dont want to put the time in, then ya its hard, too bad, get over it.
I would love the talent to say I could consistently hit well out to 1000 yards. Sadly, and truthfully, I do not.
But I did take my Tikka out yesterday to the CDTSA range, which has the 500 gong, for the first time. Made her ring, which I must say is exhilarating for me!
A bit off topic, but I found a really great app that did all my calculations, and found it quite accurate. I strelok (shooter or shootist in Russian)
I definitely can see the attraction.
But I did take my Tikka out yesterday to the CDTSA range, which has the 500 gong, for the first time. Made her ring, which I must say is exhilarating for me!
A bit off topic, but I found a really great app that did all my calculations, and found it quite accurate. I strelok (shooter or shootist in Russian)
I definitely can see the attraction.
Way to much into it^. I only say this because aslong as you have an appropriate cal and a good spotter with a 1 moa rifle you should be ok. As a new shooter, NOT using adjustments. I used my weatherby vanguard 2 in 300 win mag to slap jugs at 600 first shot, out to 900... On my second "long range" day, YEARS AGO. Mind you I was helped out with a good spotter x-mil friend of mine who has been shooting a long time.
This^
All most all factory rifles out there are 1 moa rifles. That's pretty much all you need, obviously an appropriate cal is needed. Google a ballistic chart close to yours, have a spotter... You will be on target in 3 rounds if you are a good shooter. Or at least dancing around it
(wind can be a fickle b)In my world, a match is multiple stages, but hey if you want to call one optional stage a match, have at it.
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people laugh at me when i do this with an open sighted target #4 enfield. most guys shoot 308 loaded with 175 grainers at around 2500 ocasionally ive reminded a few at the club that those velositys and bullet wieghts are the same as the 303 most shut up and move to the other end of the bench. sombodys shinny new rem with a 12 poser power scope being compared to the old 303 cant take it lol
Really it isn't that hard. I shoot my 700 out to 1300 METERS (the farthest i have been able to connect with) and do it with reasonable consistency. 5-7 hits out of 10 at range and this can be confirmed by another member on here, KevinM. Inside of that distance especially out to 800 METERS (caps are only there to differentiate between yards and m's, I'm not yelling at you
) that hit ratio goes up to almost 10 for unless I'm ungodly hungover . Kev and I have been shooting precision rifle very casually for 4 years and have been shooting in total for 8. Good gear, know your dope and a steady trigger finger, you'll connect. We have also gone out to 1600m (yes a mile) with the 338 lapmag and connected, that was not with alarming regularity but we did make hits. I'm getting sick of the "LR shooting is so difficult" threads. And I'm really not trying to be a ####, its just honestly not that hard. Biggest issue I see guys having its scopes with not enough come ups or piss poor reticles for the job. Kev and I went through the same, get a moaclick moa reticle 6-24x scope and a decent spotter with the same (no don't use a spotting scope unless its got and identical reticle to the shooters) and you'll get there from here. The bullet will go that far, you just gotta put er where you want er.
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At the first annual poker rally, I hit 1200 yards on my first shot at it with a borrowed PGW Coyote in .308. I was essentially point and shoot out to 600 yards with that rifle all day and at the end of the day I made that final long shot. It's my personal best. My girlfriend got her shots walked in to within 6" at 1200 yards with a .223 custom built by EMP rifles.
With the right rifle, optics, dope and coaching, it's easy.
I've rung a 18"x18" gong at 700 meters with my bone stock Rem 700 in 7mm Rem Mag with a Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40mm. Took about 8 shots to walk it in, but I did it.
With the right rifle, optics, dope and coaching, it's easy.
I've rung a 18"x18" gong at 700 meters with my bone stock Rem 700 in 7mm Rem Mag with a Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40mm. Took about 8 shots to walk it in, but I did it.
Love it!! Walking it in using large oversize targets without consistency. Going on that premise, I can walk in a 12ga. slug to 500 yards on a target that is well over 10 inches wide with no sights! Maybe go even further with a larger target. Same deal. Fling enough lead out at something, eventually you'll hit it. Sigh.
Appropriate caliber? What is that exactly? Mystic has taken 223 to a mile.
358Rooster (and myself mostly watching) coached my brother, walking his 6.5 Creedmoor out onto a large gong at 1050 yards using the very first box of 20 factory shells ever fired from his new rifle. Does that mean he's in the 1000 yard club? He had no idea what he was being told to do, just happens to be a good trigger puller from when we were kids. He now thinks this is easy as well. Yet the next time he was out by himself, he couldn't get close to the same target.
I'd say that means you have a great coach and a good rifle. That's it and nothing more.
Not trying to be an a$$hole here but, OP, I understand your frustration. I don't consider myself a good shooter, but I'm getting better at making 4 ring or 3 ring first round hits at extended distances. When I can get to the level of a select few here that hit MOA first round with majority of shots taken, I'll say that 1000 yards is easy.
Appropriate caliber? What is that exactly? Mystic has taken 223 to a mile.
358Rooster (and myself mostly watching) coached my brother, walking his 6.5 Creedmoor out onto a large gong at 1050 yards using the very first box of 20 factory shells ever fired from his new rifle. Does that mean he's in the 1000 yard club? He had no idea what he was being told to do, just happens to be a good trigger puller from when we were kids. He now thinks this is easy as well. Yet the next time he was out by himself, he couldn't get close to the same target.
I'd say that means you have a great coach and a good rifle. That's it and nothing more.
Not trying to be an a$$hole here but, OP, I understand your frustration. I don't consider myself a good shooter, but I'm getting better at making 4 ring or 3 ring first round hits at extended distances. When I can get to the level of a select few here that hit MOA first round with majority of shots taken, I'll say that 1000 yards is easy.
There's a big difference between:
a) first round 1MOA hits at 1000
b) getting there with a sighter or two.
c) Assuming that if your friends can't tell the difference between 250 and 400 yards and can seldom hit at those distances with their equipment/technique/and skill level that nobody else can either.
A is a good shot, B isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world, C is some funny ####.
a) first round 1MOA hits at 1000
b) getting there with a sighter or two.
c) Assuming that if your friends can't tell the difference between 250 and 400 yards and can seldom hit at those distances with their equipment/technique/and skill level that nobody else can either.
A is a good shot, B isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world, C is some funny ####.
One thing to consider before jumping on people about their plate size is the area where they shoot. If you miss where we shoot 1000m you will rarely see your miss. So big plates are the only way to go. That is if you consider 2moa plates large.
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Your brother's biggest mistake is that he didn't write stuff down when I told him to. It was great to see the look on his face when he connected and how much he appreciated what he believed (at the time) it took to get there. However, I hope he realized a much greater appreciation for what one actually has to apply without coaching.
Is it just me or has there not been a great deal of discussion in this thread surrounding technique requirements for successful milestones? Hmmm....
1000 yards is easy. Getting there with a good coach is generally easy. Getting there alone.....WAY different story. Once you've figured out how to get there each and every time you intend to get there and know every reason why you don't connect, THEN you can take only the machine out of the equation - you'll never stop working on the rest. If any of you have because you've figured it out, hats off...
I've guided a lot of shooters to distances two, three, four times their previous maximum distances with their own gear. None of them had dug in to what is required to stretch their machinery or their skills. It really opens some eyes. I've handed some people my equipment and guided them to 1050 and in one case, a friend who hadn't shot for almost 20 years, a hit at 1506 yards with one tug on the switch!
What I'm saying is, with good equipment and good, informed coaching, almost anyone can shoot 1000 yards. Can almost anyone do it consistently? Predictably? Yep. But it takes some commitment and (God forbid) some desire to learn and problem solve. Instead, most people these days (with most things, it seems) just want to buy the accomplishment or have it handed to them. Personally, I prefer to have some sweat on my plaques....
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1 shot cold bore 1 moa hits at 1000 is a task.
Walking into it, not crazy hard to do if you are half decent at shooting.
Farthest I would take game ? 300 yards.
Farthest I would bet money on slapping a water jug first shot would be 800 yards.
Farthest I say I can shoot and hit the target. Can I see it? Ill get around to it after a few. lol
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I did hit all 10. 1 did not drop it spun around so it was almost side ways to us. April then shot the one on edge in two shots. You beat us in time. I think but can't remember 20 seconds.
. I look forward to next year. I love the competion spirt. On the second day I really did get lucky, I have an excellent spotter that made it all come together for me. I think a great spotter is the key. Anyway we got off topic. Shooting 1000can be very challenging. I have shot at many matches and seen seasoned shooters miss the target compeatly. They just missed that critical wind change.
