can i can down an AR barrel

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I got one of IRG Colt 16 barrel deals a few weeks ago,it was cheap so i bought one,i was hoping i could get the barrel cut down to about 12",,is that some thing thats doable,there is about 6 inches in front of the gas block,after the step down in the barrel.any info would be appreciated,it's my first upper build from parts,going on a slick side upper,,no forward assist or door,
 
If you do that, you will have a prohibited firearm.

Excuse my ignorance but why would it be prohibited? Don't they sell ar's with 11 inch barrels?

Cutting a barrel down below 18 inches makes it prohibited. Making or installing a new barrel is fine.

Don't bring logic into the Firearms Act. You'll get a migraine.

If a Licensed Gunsmith will be doing the cutting, will it still be prohibited?

I'm also looking into this. Getting a 16" cut down by a smith to 14.5"

:)
 
If a Licensed Gunsmith will be doing the cutting, will it still be prohibited?

I'm also looking into this. Getting a 16" cut down by a smith to 14.5"

:)

Is he manufacturing a new barrel, or cutting down an existing barrel?

Cutting an existing barrel down below 18 inches makes the barrel prohib.

Go buy a new 14.5 barrel. Less headaches. You can sell the 16 if you want to save on money.
 
If you do that, you will have a prohibited firearm.
If I'm not mistaken, you don't need a specific licence to manufacture a firearm in Canada as long as you are properly licenced to own the resulting firearms. Moreover, the barrel itself is just an unregulated piece of steel. With that in mind, when does such a piece of steel tubing legally becomes a barrel that can no longer be altered ?
 
Doesn't matter who does the "altering or cutting" the barrel below 18" it is considered a Prohibited firearm.

The Criminal Code states that a prohibited firearm is:

•a handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.1 inches) or less;
•a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 25 or 32 calibre ammunition;
•a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26 inches) in overall length;
•a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than 457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26 inches) or more;
•an automatic firearm and a converted automatic firearm;
•any firearm prescribed as prohibited.
 
Doesn't matter who does the "altering or cutting" the barrel below 18" it is considered a Prohibited firearm.

Let's go step by step... Is it legal for non-business individual, if properly licensed, to manufacture a firearm ? Yes. So technically, why shouldn't I be able to *legally* manufacture a *non-restricted* Mare's leg copy (featuring a 5" barrel, if all other condition are met (ie. proper overall length, etc)) ? [ed. fwiw, I'm simplifying to the non-restricted, non-semi auto, case]
 
Ok, so if the barrel is cut down in a very professional way, how are they going to be able to tell the barrel is not original manufacture.

Just for sake of argument
 
Also, for the sake of argument. Assuming I only have a non-restricted PAL, what prevent me to buy AR barrels, put them in the lathe, indicate them, cut them, re-crown them, thread them, and then sell them ? AFAIK, a barrel is not registered or controlled in any way.

After all, it's just an inert piece of steel.
 
You can what if all you want. You asked why, you've bent told why and what is legal vs what isn't. Barrel laws are spelled out in the Firearms Act. That legislation is the control. Cut any barrel down below 18 inches and you are making a prohibited device. You don't need a pal for what you do to be illegal.

Do what you want.
 
You can what if all you want. You asked why, you've bent told why and what is legal vs what isn't. Barrel laws are spelled out in the Firearms Act. That legislation is the control. Cut any barrel down below 18 inches and you are making a prohibited device. You don't need a pal for what you do to be illegal.
You are beautifully eluding the question. When does an unregulated piece of steel (make it a plain steel rod, bought in the local metal supermarket) becomes a legally unmodifiable "barrel" ? Please quote the relevant Act.

edit: once again, I remind you that in Canada you don't need a license to manufacture your own firearm, as long as it is for personal usage and you are properly licensed for the resulting firearm.
 
[h=2]CGN Policy on discussion of homemade firearm[/h]
  1. CFC is allowing registration of homemade firearms. Although it does not necessarily translate to legality, but such transactions appear to be COMMON and performed as a ROUTINE. In the absence of other ACTUAL and FACTUAL contradictory actions by other agencies, it can be REASONABLY accepted that at least part of the governent accept these homemade firearms built by individuals. Since CFC, in this case, is the immediate agency dealing with public firearms registration, we will accept its action as our guidance.
  2. Therefore, as long as the firearm being discussed is not prohibited and the acquistion of parts complies to US and Canada export and import regulations, they will be allowed.
  3. Intentional circumvention of the OIC prohibiting orders will be forbidden as it constitutes falsification of verification and registration documents. For example, advocation of using an AK receiver to build a Valmet M78 will not be allowed as its registration requires falsifiing the required document. A Valment M78 is a finnish made SAW based on the RPK design with certain proprietary features. What makes it a Valment is the fact that it is made in Finnland by Valmet.The fact that it is made in Soumi cannot be replicated. The same rationale will be applied to any future disucssion. Any decision by admin and mod will be final on such issues.
  4. At the Exchange forum, sales of homemade weapon will be forbidden. Applying general so called "smell test", such offer or solicitation of purchase, risks the appearance of an "illegal weapon" hook up market. This same rationale was applied in the "mag kit" ban.
  5. based on the same rationale, no individual in the equipment exchange forum, except for dealers in the Dealers Forum, can offer or solicite the purchase of, any incomplete receivers, including the so called "80% completed receivers". This is consistent with the "mag kit" ban which exempts dealers from the prohibitiion.



 
[h=2]CGN Policy on discussion of homemade firearm[/h]
  1. CFC is allowing registration of homemade firearms. Although it does not necessarily translate to legality, but such transactions appear to be COMMON and performed as a ROUTINE. In the absence of other ACTUAL and FACTUAL contradictory actions by other agencies, it can be REASONABLY accepted that at least part of the governent accept these homemade firearms built by individuals. Since CFC, in this case, is the immediate agency dealing with public firearms registration, we will accept its action as our guidance.
  2. Therefore, as long as the firearm being discussed is not prohibited and the acquistion of parts complies to US and Canada export and import regulations, they will be allowed.
  3. Intentional circumvention of the OIC prohibiting orders will be forbidden as it constitutes falsification of verification and registration documents. For example, advocation of using an AK receiver to build a Valmet M78 will not be allowed as its registration requires falsifiing the required document. A Valment M78 is a finnish made SAW based on the RPK design with certain proprietary features. What makes it a Valment is the fact that it is made in Finnland by Valmet.The fact that it is made in Soumi cannot be replicated. The same rationale will be applied to any future disucssion. Any decision by admin and mod will be final on such issues.
  4. At the Exchange forum, sales of homemade weapon will be forbidden. Applying general so called "smell test", such offer or solicitation of purchase, risks the appearance of an "illegal weapon" hook up market. This same rationale was applied in the "mag kit" ban.
  5. based on the same rationale, no individual in the equipment exchange forum, except for dealers in the Dealers Forum, can offer or solicite the purchase of, any incomplete receivers, including the so called "80% completed receivers". This is consistent with the "mag kit" ban which exempts dealers from the prohibitiion.




The Mare's Leg is a 100% legal non-restricted firearm. As such, if a business makes it, beside of any IP / trademarks / patents violation, why couldn't an individual manufactures it as well (INCLUDING the short barrel) ?

edit: adjust emphasis in the quote to the relevant point.
 
Also, for the sake of argument. Assuming I only have a non-restricted PAL, what prevent me to buy AR barrels, put them in the lathe, indicate them, cut them, re-crown them, thread them, and then sell them ? AFAIK, a barrel is not registered or controlled in any way.

After all, it's just an inert piece of steel.

Because you are altering a barrel, not manufacturing it.
 
The Mare's Leg is a 100% legal non-restricted firearm. As such, if a business makes it, beside of any IP / trademarks / patents violation, why couldn't an individual manufactures it as well (INCLUDING the short barrel) ?

edit: adjust emphasis in the quote to the relevant point.

As stated above you are re-manufacturing an existing barrel. If you were to go out and buy a piece of pipe and turn it into a barrel you're gtg. At least that is my understanding.
 
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