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h t t p s ://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2016/8/10/alaska-outfitter-defends-fishermen-from-raging-grizzly-with-9mm-pistol/

Alaska Outfitter Defends Fishermen from Raging Grizzly with 9mm Pistol

by Phil Shoemaker - Wednesday, August 10, 2016

I have been guiding brown bear hunters and fishermen and bear photographers from our homestead within Becharof National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska for 33 years and have had numerous close encounters with bears. Until now, I have never had to shoot an unwounded bear to protect either myself or clients, but the other week an event occurred and my good fortune changed. When it happened, I was fully aware of what was going on and how big the bear was. I also managed to stay aware of where my clients were, even when the bear was directly between us. The woman I was guiding said that while she did not remember smelling the bear’s breath, it was close enough to her face that it could have bitten her!

I have killed enough bears to know how important shot placement can be, even with large-bore rifles. I was well aware of the limitations of my 9mm pistol, even with Buffalo Bore ammo. I was aiming for a vital area with each shot; because it all took place between 6 and 8 feet, they were not far off. But hitting the head and brain of a highly animated and agitated animal is a difficult shot.

The two photos shown here tell a pretty good story by themselves. The secondary photo (embedded at the bottom of this story) was taken from the point where the charging bear first erupted from the brush. I am on the left and Larry, my fishing client, is on the right. The bear was within 2 feet or less of Larry and his wife when I shot it. You can see the dead bear to the left of Larry. The main photo (embedded to the right) shows Larry and me with the dead bear and shows its size.

Larry and his wife were fishing with me, and because we were going to a small stream I had fished before, which had numerous large male brown bears, I decided to take my Smith & Wesson 3953 DAO 9mm, rather than the S&W 629 .44 Mag. Mountain Gun I have carried for the past 25 years, as the larger boars are usually less of a problem than sows with cubs.

Before we reached the stream, while we were walking through dense brush and tall grass, we heard a growl and deep “woof” of a bear approximately 6 feet to our right (behind me in the secondary photo). We had been talking loudly but must have startled a sleeping bear. It sounded like it made a movement toward us, and I shouted loudly and the bear ran back through the brush to the right in the photo. Within 15 seconds, we could hear it growling and charging through the dense brush from the opposite side.

I had my pistol out by then, and the bear first appeared from where the photographer in photo No. 2 was standing. It went straight for my clients; Larry and his wife fell backwards in the deep grass. She said the bear’s face was close enough to hers that it could have bitten her!

The bear was highly agitated and standing within 3 feet of my clients when I decided I could take a shot without endangering them.

My first shot was at its neck, and then it began growling and spinning toward the impact. I wanted to hit the head but the bear was moving so fast I simply began shooting each time I could hit a vital area. I hit it six times before it turned to run off, and my seventh shot was into its pelvis area as it ran. When it dropped within 6 feet of the last shot, I checked my pistol and found I had only a single round left in the chamber so decided against walking in and finishing it.

My pistol was loaded with Buffalo Bore 9mm +P Outdoorsman 147-grain FN hard-cast loads that have a muzzle velocity of 1100 fps. I had previously tested, compared and proven such loads with my .357 and .44 mags., and I was convinced they would work.

h t t p s ://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=389

ALASKAN GUIDE, PHIL SHOEMAKER, USES 9MM OUTDOORSMAN ROUNDS IN A S&W 3954 TO STOP AN ATTACKING GRIZZLY - See story and photos below.

Tim,

Two days ago I was guiding a couple from NY on a fishing trip and decided to pack my S&W 3954 pistol . When we were approaching the stream we bumped into a large boar who must have been sleeping as we were talking loud just so we wouldn't suprise one. Over the past 33 years I have lived and guided here on the Alaska peninsula I have never had to kill a bear in defense of life but this bear was different.

We were in thick brush and I was only 8 or 10 feet from the bear when he started growling and huffing. I began yelling and it eventually ran around, behind my two clients, into the brush. But within 15 seconds it came charging back from the area behind us and popped out of the brush 10 feet from me ! I had the little S&W in my hands and was thinking I was probably going to have to shoot it but as it cleared the brush it headed toward my clients. The man had enough sense to grab his wife and fall backwards into the tall grass. The bear seemed to loose track of them, even though it was less than 3 feet away from them and it was highly agitated ! It then swung toward me, I was 6 or 8 feet away, and I fired the first shot into the area between the head and shoulder. It growled and started wildly thrashing around, still basically on the feet of my clients. My next shot hit it in the shoulder and it began twisting and biting at the hits and I continued firing as fast as I could see vitals. Five shots later it turned into the brush and I hit it again and it twisted and fell 20 feet from us !

We hiked out and I flew back to camp to report the incident to F&G and pick up my daughter to go back and skin the bear for F&G.

You are the first person I have told this story to as I haven't decided whether to write it up or not, or where, but thought you should know that your ammo WORKS. We recovered 4 of the bullets and I took a photo of the back of the bear after the hide was removed that shows an entry on one side of the back and the tip of the bullet on the off side ...

Phil Shoemaker
w w w .grizzlyskinsofalaska.com
 
Phil goes light on fishing days. If anyone was to knock down a brown with a 9mm he's a good person for the job. And he's also mighty lucky the hits distracted the bear, rather than kicked it into high gear, and I'm sure he'd tell you so himself. What I'd like to know is if he's going to upgrade his fishing gun or if this was satisfactory. Was nice to see someone with his experience state he hasn't had a serious issue yet with an un-wounded bear.
 
Like I said on the other thread about this- Damn lucky that Phil was the guide. I think the man was the real difference between win and lose, not the gun
 
Shoemaker also had the foresight to choose appropriate ammunition for his pistol. Had those folks been guided by someone unaware of the differences in ammunition performance (these 115 TAPs look good) or someone inclined to shoot at the middle of the bear, the story might have ended badly. Bear protection with a handgun comes down to a single element of bullet performance; penetration. The bullet needs to be short, hard, and heavy, and have a flat nose and parallel sides to keep it going straight; the same attributes that an elephant hunter wants from his rifle bullets. I have a .357 on my ATC, in addition to a .44, and load 195 gr hard cast slugs at 1200 fps, but Phil Shoemaker's 147 gr 9mms probably aren't far behind if at all, in terms of penetration, and the auto runs longer with less recoil induced sight disruption. Maybe I need to reconsider.
 
I have a .357 on my ATC, in addition to a .44, and load 195 gr hard cast slugs at 1200 fps, but Phil Shoemaker's 147 gr 9mms probably aren't far behind if at all, in terms of penetration, and the auto runs longer with less recoil induced sight disruption.




Maybe I need to reconsider.

I don't think so...
 
Shoemaker also had the foresight to choose appropriate ammunition for his pistol. Had those folks been guided by someone unaware of the differences in ammunition performance (these 115 TAPs look good) or someone inclined to shoot at the middle of the bear, the story might have ended badly. Bear protection with a handgun comes down to a single element of bullet performance; penetration. The bullet needs to be short, hard, and heavy, and have a flat nose and parallel sides to keep it going straight; the same attributes that an elephant hunter wants from his rifle bullets. I have a .357 on my ATC, in addition to a .44, and load 195 gr hard cast slugs at 1200 fps, but Phil Shoemaker's 147 gr 9mms probably aren't far behind if at all, in terms of penetration, and the auto runs longer with less recoil induced sight disruption. Maybe I need to reconsider.

Mike don't. yours are very good choice.

anyway in the Yukon ATC wont be given for a 9mm luger ....
 
I wonder how the story would have read had the bear not turned and broke of the charge? Sounds like that bear had a lot of time to do some serious damage had it chose to do so. Even being that familiar with bears and firearms I bet it still hurts to pull a horseshoe that big outa your ass.
 
In places such as Juneau Alaska, the only 44 Magnum ammunition recommended for big bear encounters, made by a company called the Arctic Ammunition Company out of Anchorage.
A 260 grain WFN of what appears to be a solid brass bullet. Comes in a twelve pack tan colored water proof, wallet like container & rightly so expensive.
Seen it for sale at Ray's Gun Shop and Frank Maier too.
 
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not allowed handguns in the woods here. You are to use KUNG FOO if you are ever attacked by an animal (Human or otherwise) in Nova Scotia.
 
not allowed handguns in the woods here. You are to use KUNG FOO if you are ever attacked by an animal (Human or otherwise) in Nova Scotia.

Actually incorrect, many here have ATCs and legally carry handguns in the course of their professions.

In places such as Juneau Alaska, the only 44 Magnum ammunition recommended for big bear encounters, made by a company called the Arctic Ammunition Company out of Anchorage.
A 260 grain WFN of what appears to be a solid brass bullet. Comes in a twelve pack tan colored water proof, wallet like container & rightly so expensive.
Seen it for sale at Ray's Gun Shop and Frank Maier too.


Sweeping statements like this make the corner of my mouth curl, the only recommended .44 ammunition eh? :redface:
 
Don't threaten me with a good time! Seems easy enough




Yes, one just needs to carry a sockeye salmon and be well versed in the art of slap stick;)
Not everyone is as well versed in defence of a charging Grizzly Bear...someone said large horseshoe...I say a huge horseshoe.
Glad the outcome had only one fatality and not three....
Rob
 
Actually incorrect, many here have ATCs and legally carry handguns in the course of their professions.




Sweeping statements like this make the corner of my mouth curl, the only recommended .44 ammunition eh? :redface:

Okay, I meant the only over the counter factory ammunition, most often found up there.

Made it's premier debute during the ozone layer studies of the late 1990s in Alaska.

375 H&H Sakos, 870s and 44 mag revolvers. (for those that could qualify)

PS: Lots of visitors fly in to SE Alaska, and would rather not/cannot fly with ammo.
 
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never knows how guy will react every situation is different and you have one Second to make a decision and react
But the more bear experience a guy has it becomes easier to be prepare and become Second nature
 
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In places such as Juneau Alaska, the only 44 Magnum ammunition recommended for big bear encounters, made by a company called the Arctic Ammunition Company out of Anchorage.
A 260 grain WFN of what appears to be a solid brass bullet. Comes in a twelve pack tan colored water proof, wallet like container & rightly so expensive.
Seen it for sale at Ray's Gun Shop and Frank Maier too.
Silver for wolves, brass for bears. Got it.
 
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