Made in Auschwitz as a selling point???
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I have a 1945 BNZ and continue to seek out BNZ series rifles. My grandfathers cousin was rounded up and shipped to Dachau in 1943. He was a machinist, and the best man my grampa ever knew. He died one month before liberation.
I don't know if he built or assembled rifles, but I feel like it keeps his memory alive. He was killed because his grandmother was jewish. Not him, not his mother. The only proof he ever existed is a single sentence in a german clerks records ledger, and one picture passed down to our family.
I don't know if he built or assembled rifles, but I feel like it keeps his memory alive. He was killed because his grandmother was jewish. Not him, not his mother. The only proof he ever existed is a single sentence in a german clerks records ledger, and one picture passed down to our family.
Wrong is wrong.
Forget the Church, Stalin, or Nazis... Do some reading what happened to the Beuthuks, or the town of Africville... you don't really have to go looking abroad to see nastiness in society. Using such tragedy in marketing will still appeal to some though, regardless of motivation (either a garish appeal, or desire to preserve for prevention). The St. Louis being turned away from Halifax harbour applies too...
By far the best concept going. No purchases are forced (despite what I tell my accountant!).
EDIT: Added the St. Louis as it isn't so tangential.
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No ####.
I am offended every day by things for sale and you dont see me posting a CGN hissy fit.
Masterfully crafted rebuttal. 10/10 on your intriduction, supporting commentary and closing argument. You sould like a teenager.
I am offended every day by things for sale and you dont see me posting a CGN hissy fit.
Masterfully crafted rebuttal. 10/10 on your intriduction, supporting commentary and closing argument. You sould like a teenager.
Personally I will not own anything with Waffen Amt stamps or the swastika on it. I met too many Germans who were happy to flash their father's Nazi Party badge worn under their lapels. My German father-in-law came back from Siberia in 1951 and he felt the same way. Just as well as it is outlawed in Germany.
To me they symbolize the ultimate evil - state sanctioned murder and genocide.
To me they symbolize the ultimate evil - state sanctioned murder and genocide.
Just to be clear.... I don't buy 'live4therut' s rebuttal. I'm not talking about the article (ed- the ammo pouch) in question.
As for the content of my post, it's quite apparent there's little to be gained by embellishing it.
I can agree that evil is evil, as many posters say, but...
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Better throw out anything with a Union Jack, Hammer and Sickle, Rising Sun/Chrysanthemum or any other state symbol from the past 500 years then because they all have genocide and blood on their hands.
live4therut
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If you don't buy that any of that happened your ignorant to history and the truth of what religion will make people do others that don't share the same beliefs. I could go on with many more examples but it's useless having a discussion with a radical that can't see that special evil exists in all races and religions, it has no demographic. Btw the cross symbolizes murder and genocide sanction by the church so I don't know what your trying to prove? Heck Christians murdered their own messiah on one, who guess what? Was a Jew.
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Pfffft. Rubbish.
Even your name can be offensive to some. Sharps rifles were used in the civil and Indian wars. If someone was alive with a connection th those wars, I'm sure they could be offended you're so in love with them.
A piece of metal, wood etc is not evil. It's the person weilding it. And it isn't outlawed in Germany. Lots of collectors there. Just laws regarding display and such. If you can't even see a swastika without being offended, perhaps the web isn't the place for any of you.
"The swastika has an extensive history. It was used at least 5,000 years before Adolf Hitler designed the Nazi flag. The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being." The motif (a hooked cross) appears to have first been used in Neolithic Eurasia, perhaps representing the movement of the sun through the sky. To this day it is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Odinism. It is a common sight on temples or houses in India or Indonesia. Swastikas also have an ancient history in Europe, appearing on artifacts from pre-Christian European cultures."
Just because one d1ck head used it, doesnt mean its "evil" and we should put bullet holes in it every time we see it.
Just because one d1ck head used it, doesnt mean its "evil" and we should put bullet holes in it every time we see it.
Im surpised no one has cried about Swastika, Ontario.
Instead of being troubled by what is really evil, people make a big fuss over what is merely conventionally evil. -Diogenes
True, I had some D-Bag going off about "Nazi" cars/vehicles and I reined him in with the car was never a member of the National Socialist party during the Second World War, its just a car, full stop. I honestly feel we in North America are more anal and up tight about the Second World War then any country in Europe. Canada was NEVER invaded, or OCCUPIED nor SUFFERED under German occupation during 1939-45. Little Holland, a country that DID SUFFER greatly under the occupation now runs an event in Overloon (Milittracks http://www.militracks.nl/en/ ) that showcases German wartime vehicles. Going one step further the CWM has one of AH staff cars on display and a couple pieces of German armour on display are those so "offended" by anything German not going to not see these "just because". Even todays younger generation of Germans have moved on and not going to be perpetually handwringing over the actions of a couple generations back in history. Yes it is good to remember, respect the history, not forget, but keep it all in perspective that it is 70 years after the fact.
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I have given these guys hundreds of thousands of dollars in the past.
Oh no! The SJWs are going to flame me.........................................
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Coyote Ugly
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University of Manitoba's century-old Taché Hall Residence has Swastikas on the floor:
The entryways have a keystone mosaic, but the university laid down carpet because the pattern looks like a reverse swastika, Sweeney said.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/leaving-a-legend-121374399.html
The entryways have a keystone mosaic, but the university laid down carpet because the pattern looks like a reverse swastika, Sweeney said.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/leaving-a-legend-121374399.html
Dorian Gray
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I have given these guys hundreds of thousands of dollars in the past.
Oh no! The SJWs are going to flame me.........................................
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If you're ever back in the area, send me a pm. I'm about an hour north of there on 11.
If you're ever back in the area, send me a pm. I'm about an hour north of there on 11.
Cool! Are you in Iroquois Falls?
Well said!
My story below is not posted with any hate or malice towards the original poster.
He deserves his point of view and I will back him up on that.
He is a good man and I have met him many times at gun show and exhibits.
That being said;
My Mother and Father both served in WW2.
Mom was a Canadian Red Cross Corps Nurse, Dad was Canadian Merchant Navy.
My Mother's family is 100% German Heritage that came to Canada in late 1800's to 1901.
Her Grandfather's Brother was Gustav Höhne (17 February 1893 – 1 July 1951) was a General in the Wehrmacht during World War II who held commands at the division and corps levels.
He was a recipient of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves.
She once told me a story of growing up out in Rivers, Manitoba (if I recall that right as they moved around a bit at the beginning of WW2), anyway's, she was standing at a rail crossing when a German POW train came through town and had to stop right in front of her at the crossing.
Some of the POW's where singing and they all stopped when they saw here.
They where speaking to her in German saying what a beautiful girl, yada, yada, yada and my Mother just stood there not saying a thing.
The sad part of the story she said was, she understood everything as she was German Heritage herself, but since it was WW2, she was afraid to speak.
She said later in life, she regretted not speaking.
My Father did many Atlantic crossing in WW2 in the Merchant Navy.
He had many stories, good and bad, right up to including having beer in a Bar in a Neutral Country in Africa. (Portuguese East Africa)
There where German Naval Submariners buying beer for the Merchant Mariners out of mutual respect.
How is that for strange happenings!
He even has a few pictures.
After WW2, my Father worked at Ford in Oakville, Ontario which was full of German WW2 POW's that came back after WW2 to live in Canada.
We had many of family friends from these former POW's.
Mom and Dad have both passed on now and had no problem what so ever with me collecting Milsurp Firearms or doing European Battlefield Tours that included visiting everywhere right up to Berchtesgaden, Germany.
I even have a brick and other goodies from Hitler's retreat the "Berghof".
They both said, that's History right there.
Yes, atrocities happened on all sides of war, Never Forget!
Side note, Dads Ship;
On the 23 February 1945, at approximately 14:00, Point Pleasant Park was sailing independently approximately 500 miles (800 km) north west of Cape Town, South Africa, when U-510, skippered by Kapitänleutnant Alfred Eick, found her.
U-510 was en route to Germany with a load of tungsten from the Far East when she encountered Point Pleasant Park.
U-510 fired on Point Pleasant Park at 29°42′S 09°58′E. A torpedo from U-510 hit Point Pleasant Park in the area of the quarters for the engine-room crew.
The explosion immediately killed eight of the crew and trapped 38 others below.
The 38 crew were eventually rescued by the officers with only 6 inches (15 cm) of air space left in their compartment.
Twenty minutes after the torpedo struck Owen gave the order to abandon ship.
Forty-nine men took to the sea in three open boats.
The boats moved off and stood by.
Ten minutes later U-510 surfaced, fired two bursts from her 37mm AA gun into the waterline of the bow to flood the forward holds, and then moved off on the surface in a westerly direction.
As the submarine moved off, Owen attempted to return to his ship but before the crew could get alongside Point Pleasant sank.
As she sank, hull stress caused the steam whistle to sound in a long final salute.
Did my Father have cause to hate Germany and all that she stood for?
He never did.
Rest in Peace Mom and Dad.
Thank you for your service.
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